I wouldn't say the last. New capabilities appear as new laws come into
play.
Someone, a physicist, who takes Wheeler's view very seriously is Lee
Smolin,
Lee
Smolin
- Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaAlso, Seth Lloyd,
Seth
Lloyd
- Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaNeither, I am pretty
sure, thinks that even all of physics can be reduced to physics can be
reduced to basic physics, but that information has some unifying
power.
John
At 04:07 PM 2013/05/17, you wrote:
Dear John,
Can you give some more your explorations about "it from bit"?
Do you know how many reflections there from orthodox physicists about the
Wheeler's "HELL" (a saying from a physicist) these years?
If it is true, can we reduce all of our information studies, simulating
Søren's word, from biological and experiential psychological and the
social communication to physical information?
Best wishes,
Xueshan
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Dear John, Dear Sören and All,
I think John is basically correct in starting from a
physical basis for the origin of information
in the universe, but Sören is also correct in that something
"more" is needed to get to meaning. My view is, however, that
the latter's cybersemiotics is based on a Peircean view of the properties
of the universe, and that this view is crtitically incomplete, especially
with regard to partial determinism, discontinuity and the operational
nature of signs.
Logic in Reality provides the missing link between the physical and
"non"-physical positions by relating them to the
synergetic/antagonistic interactions between the actuality and
potentiality of energy and energetic processes at all levels of reality,
between presence and absence (cf. Deacon), etc. In my opinion, this is
what "gets us to experience". Floridi has criticized my
position since he assigns only epistemological value to levels of
reality, whereas I try to show that the epistemology and ontology of
levels cannot be totally separated.
The nexus of the debate is thus here, but it would require some
"actualization" of understanding of the relevance of LIR (or
lack of it!) to continue along these lines. Any takers?
Best wishes,
Joseph
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Dear John
I think the discussion you have here, no matter how qualified it is,
shows that it is doubtful strategy to want to explain our world,
meaningful communication and our own consciousness from the physical view
of reality alone. In my cybersemiotic model I suggest that
we cannot reduce the physical to the
biological and that to the experiential psychological and the
social communicative and cannot expect to produce one unified story of
the world based on natural science. For those interested I give a
PhD-course in Cybersemiotics at CBS in Copenhagen 12-16. of August with
invited speakers explain the idea. Information here
http://www.cbs.dk/en/node/254737 .
Best wishes
Søren Brier
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Joseph, fisers,
I have been busy with teaching (250 students in