Re: [Fis] "The Travelers"

2014-10-30 Thread Guy A Hoelzer
Hi Loet, I appreciate the rigor of your comments. I have some follow up responses interspersed below. On Oct 30, 2014, at 2:11 AM, Loet Leydesdorff mailto:l...@leydesdorff.net>> wrote: Dear colleagues, The metaphors are sometimes confusing. For example: Along the line of your argument, mean

Re: [Fis] "The Travellers"

2014-10-30 Thread Joseph Brenner
Dear Pedro, Dear Sören, Please let me call the attention of both of you to Sören's article in Biosemiotics of 24 May 2012 "What Does it Take to Produce Interpretation? Informational, Peircean and Code-Semiotic Views on Biosemiotics". Judging from the abstract, this article criticizes at least

Re: [Fis] "The Travellers"

2014-10-30 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS colleagues, I am responding to a mail from Soeren (below) that, curiously, was retained by the list filter. Sorry, but some parts of his message are written in a rather arrogant tone that does not match the unconditionally polite style of our exchanges. This is a pluralistic list and

Re: [Fis] "The Travellers"

2014-10-30 Thread John Collier
This is indeed important, and I think Frege was on the right track on a number of issues. Peirce, however, did use the term 'information', but as far as I can see he presupposed intentionality. This doesn't help, unless the world is intentional "all the way don3e", which strongly doubt. I think t

Re: [Fis] "The Travelers"

2014-10-30 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear colleagues, The metaphors are sometimes confusing. For example: Along the line of your argument, meaningfulness would be exclusive to dynamical systems where agency, purpose, and self-interest have emerged. I would further limit meaningfulness only to the cultural domain. Meani

Re: [Fis] "The Travelers"

2014-10-30 Thread John Collier
I would agree with this. I also agree with Bob. And of course I agree with Stan. However I do think that the technical problems are rather more than Stan estimates. More on this later. I don't feel so good right now. John At 12:45 AM 2014-10-24, Guy A Hoelzer wrote: Dear Bob et al., I take semio