Re: [Fis] Neuroinformation?

2014-12-07 Thread Francesco Rizzo
Caro Pedro e cari Tutti,
anche e soprattutto il Natale, è una lieta novella, un'INFORMAZIONE bella e
buona. Difatti Gesù Cristo ha preso la forma di carne dell'uomo, senza
perdere quella divina. Per tutti, credenti e non credenti o ritenuti tali.
D'altra parte, se Dio esiste, come esiste,  esiste per tutti, che noi lo
vogliamo o meno. Quindi colgo l'occasione per rivolgerVi un AUGURIO di
A.more, U.ni-versale, G.rande, U.nico,
R.adioso,I.nter-nazionale,O.nto-logico.
Un abbraccio da estendere alle Vostre famiglie.
Francesco Rizzo.

2014-12-05 19:53 GMT+01:00 Guy A Hoelzer hoel...@unr.edu:

  Hi All,

  Like many here, I am very interested in the notion of neuroinformation
 and the contrast between information as static pattern or temporal
 process.  I want to suggest a way to think of the static and process views
 of information as identical concepts.  I take the static view to be
 something like the existence of a physical gradient or contrast in state
 between proximate spaces.  The 2nd law of thermodynamics tells us that all
 such gradients will tend to bread down (disorganize) over time.  Therefore,
 maintenance of static information requires a process.  This idea could
 apply nicely to neuroinformation.  For example, memories can fade if they
 are not accessed occasionally.  From this point of view, static contrasts
 and the processes that maintain them cannot be separated, much like pattern
 and process cannot be separated in the dissipative systems of Prigogine.

  Regards,

  Guy

 Guy Hoelzer, Associate Professor
 Department of Biology
 University of Nevada Reno

 Phone:  775-784-4860
 Fax:  775-784-1302
 hoel...@unr.edu

  On Dec 4, 2014, at 6:57 AM, Krassimir Markov mar...@foibg.com wrote:

   Dear Bob,
 I think, there is no conflict between two points of view – information may
 be a process and it may be a static depending of what kind of reflection it
 is.
 For instance, we reflect the world around:
 - as static - by photos, art images, sculptures, etc.;
 - as dynamic - by movies, theater plays, ballet, etc.;
 - and, at the end, by both types – by static text which creates dynamical
 imaginations in our consciousness.
 Friendly regards
 Krassimir

 PS: This is my second post for this week. So, I say: Goodbye to the next
 one!



  *From:* Bob Logan lo...@physics.utoronto.ca
 *Sent:* Thursday, December 04, 2014 3:54 PM
 *To:* Joseph Brenner joe.bren...@bluewin.ch
 *Cc:* fis@listas.unizar.es
 *Subject:* Re: [Fis] Neuroinformation?

  Dear all - I support Joseph's remarks and would suggest that information
 in general is a process that unfortunately is formulated as a noun.
 Inspired by Bucky Fuller's I think I am a verb I suggest that Information
 is a verb It is a verb because it describes a process. Although that
 solves one problem we need to be able to describe a set of signs that have
 the potential to initiate the process of informing through interpretation.
 I would not suggest we create another word but recognize that the word
 information has many meanings and that when it is describing a process it
 has a verb-like quality to it and when it describes a set of sign that have
 the potential to be interpreted and hence become information it is acting
 as a noun. I would also suggest that a simple definition of the term
 information is not possible because its meaning is so context dependent.
 This is true of all words but even more so for information. For those that
 agree with my sentiments the above is information and for those that do not
 it is nonsense. My best wishes to both groups,  Bob Logan
  __

   Robert K. Logan
 Prof. Emeritus - Physics - U. of Toronto
 Chief Scientist - sLab at OCAD
  http://utoronto.academia.edu/RobertKLogan
 www.physics.utoronto.ca/Members/logan
 www.researchgate.net/profile/Robert_Logan5/publications








  On 2014-12-04, at 6:40 AM, Joseph Brenner wrote:

  Dear Dr. Isiegas,

 I will add my support to the extended concept of information that inheres
 in the work of Robert Ulanowicz and John Collier. I would just add that I
 like to call it information-as-process, to call attention to its
 'structure' being dynamic, with individual neurones involved in a cyclic
 (better spiral or sinusoidal) movement between states of activation and
 inhibition. I have ascribed an extension of logic to this form of
 alternating actual and potential states in complex processes at all levels
 of reality.

 Best wishes,

 Joseph B.

 - Original Message - From: Robert E. Ulanowicz u...@umces.edu
 To: Carolina Isiegas cisie...@gmail.com
 Cc: fis@listas.unizar.es
 Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 6:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [Fis] Neuroinformation?


 Dear Dr. Isiegas:

 I envision neuroinformation as the mutual information of the neuronal
 network where synaptic connections are weighted by the frequencies of
 discharge between all pairs of neurons. This is directly analogous to a
 network of trophic exchanges among an ecosystem, as 

Re: [Fis] Neuroinformation?

2014-12-07 Thread Francesco Rizzo
P.s.: Scusate, bisogna togliere la virgola (,) dopo la parola Natale.
Francesco.

2014-12-08 7:36 GMT+01:00 Francesco Rizzo 13francesco.ri...@gmail.com:

 Caro Pedro e cari Tutti,
 anche e soprattutto il Natale, è una lieta novella, un'INFORMAZIONE bella
 e buona. Difatti Gesù Cristo ha preso la forma di carne dell'uomo, senza
 perdere quella divina. Per tutti, credenti e non credenti o ritenuti tali.
 D'altra parte, se Dio esiste, come esiste,  esiste per tutti, che noi lo
 vogliamo o meno. Quindi colgo l'occasione per rivolgerVi un AUGURIO di
 A.more, U.ni-versale, G.rande, U.nico,
 R.adioso,I.nter-nazionale,O.nto-logico.
 Un abbraccio da estendere alle Vostre famiglie.
 Francesco Rizzo.

 2014-12-05 19:53 GMT+01:00 Guy A Hoelzer hoel...@unr.edu:

  Hi All,

  Like many here, I am very interested in the notion of neuroinformation
 and the contrast between information as static pattern or temporal
 process.  I want to suggest a way to think of the static and process views
 of information as identical concepts.  I take the static view to be
 something like the existence of a physical gradient or contrast in state
 between proximate spaces.  The 2nd law of thermodynamics tells us that all
 such gradients will tend to bread down (disorganize) over time.  Therefore,
 maintenance of static information requires a process.  This idea could
 apply nicely to neuroinformation.  For example, memories can fade if they
 are not accessed occasionally.  From this point of view, static contrasts
 and the processes that maintain them cannot be separated, much like pattern
 and process cannot be separated in the dissipative systems of Prigogine.

  Regards,

  Guy

 Guy Hoelzer, Associate Professor
 Department of Biology
 University of Nevada Reno

 Phone:  775-784-4860
 Fax:  775-784-1302
 hoel...@unr.edu

  On Dec 4, 2014, at 6:57 AM, Krassimir Markov mar...@foibg.com wrote:

   Dear Bob,
 I think, there is no conflict between two points of view – information
 may be a process and it may be a static depending of what kind of
 reflection it is.
 For instance, we reflect the world around:
 - as static - by photos, art images, sculptures, etc.;
 - as dynamic - by movies, theater plays, ballet, etc.;
 - and, at the end, by both types – by static text which creates dynamical
 imaginations in our consciousness.
 Friendly regards
 Krassimir

 PS: This is my second post for this week. So, I say: Goodbye to the next
 one!



  *From:* Bob Logan lo...@physics.utoronto.ca
 *Sent:* Thursday, December 04, 2014 3:54 PM
 *To:* Joseph Brenner joe.bren...@bluewin.ch
 *Cc:* fis@listas.unizar.es
 *Subject:* Re: [Fis] Neuroinformation?

  Dear all - I support Joseph's remarks and would suggest that
 information in general is a process that unfortunately is formulated as a
 noun. Inspired by Bucky Fuller's I think I am a verb I suggest that
 Information is a verb It is a verb because it describes a process.
 Although that solves one problem we need to be able to describe a set of
 signs that have the potential to initiate the process of informing through
 interpretation. I would not suggest we create another word but recognize
 that the word information has many meanings and that when it is describing
 a process it has a verb-like quality to it and when it describes a set of
 sign that have the potential to be interpreted and hence become information
 it is acting as a noun. I would also suggest that a simple definition of
 the term information is not possible because its meaning is so context
 dependent. This is true of all words but even more so for information. For
 those that agree with my sentiments the above is information and for those
 that do not it is nonsense. My best wishes to both groups,  Bob Logan
  __

   Robert K. Logan
 Prof. Emeritus - Physics - U. of Toronto
 Chief Scientist - sLab at OCAD
  http://utoronto.academia.edu/RobertKLogan
 www.physics.utoronto.ca/Members/logan
 www.researchgate.net/profile/Robert_Logan5/publications








  On 2014-12-04, at 6:40 AM, Joseph Brenner wrote:

  Dear Dr. Isiegas,

 I will add my support to the extended concept of information that inheres
 in the work of Robert Ulanowicz and John Collier. I would just add that I
 like to call it information-as-process, to call attention to its
 'structure' being dynamic, with individual neurones involved in a cyclic
 (better spiral or sinusoidal) movement between states of activation and
 inhibition. I have ascribed an extension of logic to this form of
 alternating actual and potential states in complex processes at all levels
 of reality.

 Best wishes,

 Joseph B.

 - Original Message - From: Robert E. Ulanowicz u...@umces.edu
 To: Carolina Isiegas cisie...@gmail.com
 Cc: fis@listas.unizar.es
 Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 6:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [Fis] Neuroinformation?


 Dear Dr. Isiegas:

 I envision neuroinformation as the mutual information of the neuronal
 network where synaptic connections are