Re: [Fis] MEPP

2015-01-10 Thread Stanley N Salthe
Terry -- Replying T: Stan: Abiotic dissipative structures will degrade their gradients as fast as possible given the bearing constraints. They are unconditional maximizers. Life that has survived has been able to apply conditions upon its entropy production, but that does not mean that it has

Re: [Fis] MEPP

2015-01-10 Thread Terrence W. DEACON
Hi Stan, T: Thanks for the references. I am embarrassed to say that I don't think that I have read the two by Kampis. I will post references for the MEPP critiques and counter-examples later next week. I am in Oslo at the moment and don't have many resources at my disposal. Since MEPP is not the

Re: [Fis] MEPP

2015-01-10 Thread PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ
Terry, about the below, it is quite correct; you don't need to respond all messages, even more if they leave the main theme. Usually the two messages per week rule terminates automatically those chained responses and counter-responses. In any case, it is upon you, our invitee. best --Pedro

Re: [Fis] MEPP

2015-01-10 Thread Terrence W. DEACON
PS: Oops, slight misstatement re B convection. Of course the gradient can be reduced by the convection process. On 1/10/15, Terrence W. DEACON dea...@berkeley.edu wrote: Hi Stan, T: Thanks for the references. I am embarrassed to say that I don't think that I have read the two by Kampis. I