Re: [Fis] Philosophy, Computing, and Information - apologies!

2015-06-12 Thread Francesco Rizzo
Cari colleghi, distinguere, separare o, peggio, contrapporre è pericoloso e contrasta con l'armonia meravigliosa che governa ll mondo. A PRESCINDERE CHE SI CREDA O MENO in una in una Intelligenza trascendente la natura umana (io, ad esempio, credo in Dio che non finisce mai di stupirci e sorprender

Re: [Fis] Philosophy, Computing, and Information - apologies!

2015-06-12 Thread Krassimir Markov
Dear John and Stan, Your both hierarchies are good only if you believe in God. But this is believe, not science. Sorry, nothing personal! Friendly regards Krassimir From: John Collier Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 5:02 PM To: Stanley N Salthe ; fis Subject: Re: [Fis] Philosophy, Computing, and

Re: [Fis] Philosophy, Computing, and Information - apologies!

2015-06-12 Thread John Collier
Not quite the same hierarchy, but similar: [cid:image001.png@01D0A529.DBE58A40] It from bit is just information, which is fundamental, on Seth Lloyd’s computational view of nature. Paul Davies and some other physicists agree with this. Chemical information is negentropic, and hierarchical in mo

Re: [Fis] Philosophy, Computing, and Information - apologies!

2015-06-12 Thread Stanley N Salthe
Pedro -- Your list: physical, biological, social, and Informational is implicitly a hierarchy -- in fact, a subsumptive hierarchy, with the physical subsuming the biological and the biological subsuming the social. But where should information appear? Following Wheeler, we should have: {inform

Re: [Fis] Philosophy, Computing, and Information - apologies!

2015-06-12 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Thanks, Ken. I think your previous message and this one are drawing sort of the border-lines of the discussion. Achieving a comprehensive view on the interrelationship between computation and information is an essential matter. In my opinion, and following the Vienna discussions, whenever life