Re: [Fis] "no new and doubtful physical concepts need to be introduced"

2016-07-18 Thread Steven Ericsson-Zenith
This is a response to both Stan and John, but especially Stan since John wanders to the non-physical. Shannon’s perspective is not one of “choice,” this suggests some proactive and there is no physical proactive in Shannon. Mathematical randomness is not logical choice. There is no force tendi

Re: [Fis] Cultural Legacy Redux (Freewheeling Speculation)

2016-07-18 Thread Michel Godron
Bien reçu votre message. MERCI. Cordialement. M. Godron Le 17/07/2016 à 20:21, Loet Leydesdorff a écrit : Dear Michel and colleagues, I agree that adaptation is not specifically human and that "humanity's main adaptive role" is not to be defined as "information". I agree also. The best candid

Re: [Fis] Cultural Legacy Redux (Freewheeling Speculation)

2016-07-18 Thread Michel Godron
Bien reçu votre message. MERCI. Cordialement. M. Godron Le 17/07/2016 à 20:21, Loet Leydesdorff a écrit : Dear Michel and colleagues, I agree that adaptation is not specifically human and that "humanity's main adaptive role" is not to be defined as "information". I agree also ! The best candi

Re: [Fis] "no new and doubtful physical concepts need to be introduced"

2016-07-18 Thread john . holgate
Steven, Joe I always understood that the action of information is the introduction of 'new and doubtful concepts' (Bateson's 'news of a difference that makes a difference') and is in fact predicated on doubt, probability, uncertainty. John H Original Message - Dear List, A f