Re: [Fis] Scientific Communication and Publishing

2016-09-27 Thread Francesco Rizzo
Cari Loet, Mark e Tutti,
Mark ha fatto un buon lavoro di digitalizzazione della
tecno-social-conoscenza. Loet, come al solito, lo ha penetrato ponendo
delle questioni-domande epistemologiche e paradigmatiche centrali e
strategiche. In questo  contesto situo la mia "Nuova economia" costruita
sul dominio della terna significazione, informazione e comunicazione. A mio
giudizio, questa è la strada che bisogna seguire.
Un abbraccio.
Francesco

2016-09-27 9:27 GMT+02:00 Loet Leydesdorff :

> Dear Mark, Moises, and colleagues,
>
> I agree that this is a very beautiful piece of work. The video is
> impressive.
>
> My comment would focus on what it is that constructs reality "by language"
> (p. 2). I agree with the remark about the risk of a linguistic fallacy; but
> how is the domain of counterfactual expectations constructed? The answer in
> the paper tends towards a sociological explanation: "status" for which one
> competes in a new political economy. However, it seems to me that the
> selection mechanism has to be specified. Can this be external to the
> communication? How is the paradigmatic/epistemic closure and quality
> control brought about by the communication? How is a symbolic layer shaped
> and coded?
>
> One cannot reverse the reasoning: the editorial boards follow standards
> that they perceive as relevant and can reproduce. The standards are not a
> convention of the board since one would not easily agree. Reversing the
> reasoning would bring us back to interests and thus to a kind of
> neo-marxism a la the sociology of scientific knowledge (SSK). In
> actor-network theory (ANT) the emergence of standards happens
> historically/evolutionarily, but is not explained.
>
> I don't have answers on my side. But perhaps, the strength of anticipation
> and the role of models needs to be explored. Models can be entertained and
> enable us to reconstruct a knowledge-based reality.
>
> Best,
> Loet
>
>
> Loet Leydesdorff
> Professor, University of Amsterdam
> Amsterdam School of Communication Research (ASCoR)
> l...@leydesdorff.net ; http://www.leydesdorff.net/
> Associate Faculty, SPRU, University of Sussex;
> Guest Professor Zhejiang Univ., Hangzhou; Visiting Professor, ISTIC,
> Beijing;
> Visiting Professor, Birkbeck, University of London;
> http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYJ&hl=en
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Fis [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Moisés André
> Nisenbaum
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 1:45 AM
> To: Mark Johnson
> Cc: fis
> Subject: Re: [Fis] Scientific Communication and Publishing
>
> Dear Mark.
>
> Thank you for the excelent video and article. It is very important to
> discuss this and, if you agree, I will use your video with my students (can
> you send me the transcription?).
> No doubt we are in a changing world and we have to fight against abusive
> processes, like publication industry.
>
> In Rafael's article, the question “what is a scientific journal in the
> digital age?” I understand that we must think outside the box. I think it
> would be great if some group invent a kind of "Uber" of scientific
> production. Something that connect directly authors and readers at feasible
> rates.  arXiv does this connection in some way, but it is not universal.
> E-science is also a good initiative.
>
> Related to this discussion, UNESCO will do an event on Wednesday
> (sep/28th) at Museu do Amanhã (Rio de Janeiro) called International Day
> for Universal Access to Information (http://en.unesco.org/iduai2016).
>
> But the fact is: we are human and the worry about "reputation" is the real
> reason of today's organization of scientific communication (about this,
> this book chapter is very good: VAN RAAN, Anthony FJ. The interdisciplinary
> nature of science: theoretical framework and bibliometric-empirical
> approach. Practising interdisciplinarity, p.
> 66-78, 2000.)
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Moisés
>
>
>
> 2016-09-26 4:55 GMT-03:00 Mark Johnson :
> >
> > Dear FIS Colleagues,
> >
> > To kick-start the discussion on scientific publishing, I have prepared
> > a short (hopefully provocative) video. It can be found at:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Bh3vqM98-U
> >
> > (if anyone's interested, the software I used for producing it is
> > called 'Videoscribe')
> >
> > I have also produced a paper which is attached.
> >
> > I hope you find these interesting and stimulating!
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Mark
> > --
> > Dr. Mark William Johnson
> > Institute of Learning and Teaching
> > Faculty of Health and Life Sciences
> > University of Liverpool
> >
> > Phone: 07786 064505
> > Email: johnsonm...@gmail.com
> > Blog: http://dailyimprovisation.blogspot.com
> >
> > ___
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> > Fis@listas.unizar.es
> > http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Moisés André Nisenbaum
> Doutorando IBICT/UFRJ. Professor. Msc.
> Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ Campus Rio

Re: [Fis] Scientific Communication and Publishing

2016-09-27 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear Mark, Moises, and colleagues, 

I agree that this is a very beautiful piece of work. The video is impressive. 

My comment would focus on what it is that constructs reality "by language" (p. 
2). I agree with the remark about the risk of a linguistic fallacy; but how is 
the domain of counterfactual expectations constructed? The answer in the paper 
tends towards a sociological explanation: "status" for which one competes in a 
new political economy. However, it seems to me that the selection mechanism has 
to be specified. Can this be external to the communication? How is the 
paradigmatic/epistemic closure and quality control brought about by the 
communication? How is a symbolic layer shaped and coded?

One cannot reverse the reasoning: the editorial boards follow standards that 
they perceive as relevant and can reproduce. The standards are not a convention 
of the board since one would not easily agree. Reversing the reasoning would 
bring us back to interests and thus to a kind of neo-marxism a la the sociology 
of scientific knowledge (SSK). In actor-network theory (ANT) the emergence of 
standards happens historically/evolutionarily, but is not explained. 

I don't have answers on my side. But perhaps, the strength of anticipation and 
the role of models needs to be explored. Models can be entertained and enable 
us to reconstruct a knowledge-based reality.

Best,
Loet 


Loet Leydesdorff 
Professor, University of Amsterdam
Amsterdam School of Communication Research (ASCoR)
l...@leydesdorff.net ; http://www.leydesdorff.net/ 
Associate Faculty, SPRU, University of Sussex; 
Guest Professor Zhejiang Univ., Hangzhou; Visiting Professor, ISTIC, Beijing;
Visiting Professor, Birkbeck, University of London; 
http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYJ&hl=en


-Original Message-
From: Fis [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Moisés André 
Nisenbaum
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 1:45 AM
To: Mark Johnson
Cc: fis
Subject: Re: [Fis] Scientific Communication and Publishing

Dear Mark.

Thank you for the excelent video and article. It is very important to discuss 
this and, if you agree, I will use your video with my students (can you send me 
the transcription?).
No doubt we are in a changing world and we have to fight against abusive 
processes, like publication industry.

In Rafael's article, the question “what is a scientific journal in the digital 
age?” I understand that we must think outside the box. I think it would be 
great if some group invent a kind of "Uber" of scientific production. Something 
that connect directly authors and readers at feasible rates.  arXiv does this 
connection in some way, but it is not universal. E-science is also a good 
initiative.

Related to this discussion, UNESCO will do an event on Wednesday
(sep/28th) at Museu do Amanhã (Rio de Janeiro) called International Day for 
Universal Access to Information (http://en.unesco.org/iduai2016).

But the fact is: we are human and the worry about "reputation" is the real 
reason of today's organization of scientific communication (about this, this 
book chapter is very good: VAN RAAN, Anthony FJ. The interdisciplinary nature 
of science: theoretical framework and bibliometric-empirical approach. 
Practising interdisciplinarity, p.
66-78, 2000.)

Kind regards,

Moisés



2016-09-26 4:55 GMT-03:00 Mark Johnson :
>
> Dear FIS Colleagues,
>
> To kick-start the discussion on scientific publishing, I have prepared 
> a short (hopefully provocative) video. It can be found at:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Bh3vqM98-U
>
> (if anyone's interested, the software I used for producing it is 
> called 'Videoscribe')
>
> I have also produced a paper which is attached.
>
> I hope you find these interesting and stimulating!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Mark
> --
> Dr. Mark William Johnson
> Institute of Learning and Teaching
> Faculty of Health and Life Sciences
> University of Liverpool
>
> Phone: 07786 064505
> Email: johnsonm...@gmail.com
> Blog: http://dailyimprovisation.blogspot.com
>
> ___
> Fis mailing list
> Fis@listas.unizar.es
> http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
>



--
Moisés André Nisenbaum
Doutorando IBICT/UFRJ. Professor. Msc.
Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ Campus Rio de Janeiro 
moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br

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