Re: [Fis] Scientific communication (from Mark)

2016-10-14 Thread Louis H Kauffman
Dear Dai, Consider the pattern .142857142857142857142857142857142857142857… In our world of observers and technology, this pattern is constructed so that it can be transmitted verbatim by this computer system to you. No meaning is transmitted, just the list of numbers. Even the fact that the

Re: [Fis] Scientific communication (from Mark)

2016-10-14 Thread John Collier
Peirce's answer is a definite "yes", and is a form pf realism. The idea that patterns require an observer is the basis for nominalism, which was adopted by most empiricists like Locke and Hume. Plato, though, was also a nominalist, though the reasoning is not so straight-forward. The empiricist

Re: [Fis] Scientific communication (from Mark)

2016-10-14 Thread Dai Griffiths
To trying to answer this question, I find myself asking "Do patterns exist without an observer?". A number of familiar problems then re-emerge, which blur my ability to distinguish between foreground and background. Dai On 13/10/16 11:32, Karl Javorszky wrote: Do patterns contain

[Fis] Fwd: Scientific communication (---from Mark)

2016-10-14 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Mensaje reenviado Asunto: Re: [Fis] Scientific communication (from Mark) Fecha: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 13:04:06 +0100 De: Mark Johnson Para: fis , Pedro C. Marijuan Dear Karl, Loet and Bruno,