Re: [Fis] Intelligence Science in Chengdu 2016, web page

2016-11-13 Thread Christophe
Thanks Gordana and Pedro for this interesting set of information and 

Would it be possible, Pedro, that you make available the content of your 
presentation "Intelligence and the information flow: An evolutionary 

An evolutionary perspective to information looks indeed as a natural and 
promising thread that deserves, I feel, more developments.
You may remember Gordana the chapter addressing part of that subject 
"computation on information, meaning and representations. An evolutionary 
approach" in your 2011 book. (


Christophe Menant, Computation on Information, Meaning and 
Understanding computation as “a process of the dynamic change of information” 
brings to look at the different types of computation and information.


De : Fis  de la part de Gordana Dodig-Crnkovic 

Envoyé : dimanche 13 novembre 2016 06:08
Objet : [Fis] Intelligence Science in Chengdu 2016, web page

Thank you Pedro!

For those of FIS colleagues who might be interested in the details of ICIS2016 
conference on Intelligence Science,
including the presentations, here is the web page:
ICIS2016, October 31 - November 1, Cheng Du, 
Biography. Yixin Zhong, Professor from the Center for Intelligence Science 
research, University of Posts and Telecommunications, Beijing, China.

Still more information can be found at
Intelligence Science Website -
Intelligence science is an interdisciplinary subject which is jointly studied 
by brain science, cognitive science, artificial intelligence and others.

World Scientific is starting the series on Intelligence Science
Series on Intelligence Science (World 
By (author): Shi Zhongzhi (Chinese Academy of Sciences, China). Volume 2 
Intelligence Science

edited by Zhongzhi Shi, who was part of ICIS2016

So the new field is in its beginnings and the feeling is very hopeful.

Best wishes,

Gordana Dodig Crnkovic - Tillämpad informationsteknologi 
Gordana Dodig Crnkovic Associate Professor at the Department of Applied IT. 
Vice Head at the department responsible for graduate education. Professor of 
Computer ...

Gordana Dodig-Crnkovic - MDH
GORDANA DODIG-CRNKOVIC Professor of Computer Science. School of Innovation, 
Design and EngineeringMälardalen University, Sweden

IS4SI-2017 - International Society for Information 
IS4SI-2017 Summit - International Society for Information Studies - 

From: Fis > 
Date: Sunday 13 November 2016 at 03:01
To: "" 
Subject: [Fis] Intelligence Science in Chengdu

Dear FIS Colleagues,

During past days a conference on Intelligence Science was hold in Chengdu. It 
was organized by Zhao Chuan (fis member, who presented in this list about the 
same topic last year), and was chaired by Yixin Zhong (well known in this list 
too). Western FIS parties who attended were Gordana, Joseph Brenner (although 
finally read in absentia), and myself. Chinese FIS colleagues Wu Kun, Xiaohui, 
Bi Lin, and others were also attending or presenting. Well, it was quite 
interesting an experience. Rethinking the basic ideas on intelligence, both 
"natural" and "artificial", in parallel to FIS and IS4SI efforts around 
information science looks a promising complementary strategy. A second 
conference will take place next year, in another Chinese city. It will be more 
widely publicized so to facilitate the attendance of 

Re: [Fis] Is quantum information the basis of spacetime?

2016-11-13 Thread Andrei Khrennikov
 Dear all,
I make the last remark about "physical information". The main problem of 
quantum physics is to justify so called 
IRREDUCIBLE QUANTUM RANDOMNESS (IQR). It was invented  by von Neumann. Quantum 
randomness, in contrast to classical,
cannot be reduced to variations in an ensemble. One single electron is 
irreducibly random.  

The operational Copenhagen interpretation cannot "explain" the origin of  IQR, 
since it does not even try to explain anything,
"Shut up and calculate!" (R. Feynman to his students). Nevertheless, many  top 
experts in QM want some kind of "explanation". The informational approach to QM 
is one 
of such attempts. Roughly speaking, one tries to get IQR from fundamental  
notion of "physical information" as the basic blocks of Nature. 

This is very important activity, since nowadays IQR has huge technological 
value, the quantum random generators are justified through IQR. And this is 
billion Euro 

Finally, to check experimentally the presence of IQR, we have to appeal to 
violation  of Bell's inequality. And here (!!!) to proceed we  have to accept 
the existence of 
FREE WILL. Thus finally the cognitive elements appears, but in  very 

Yours, andrei   

Andrei Khrennikov, Professor of Applied Mathematics,
Int. Center Math Modeling: Physics, Engineering, Economics, and Cognitive Sc.
Linnaeus University, Växjö, Sweden

From: Fis [] on behalf of John Collier 
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 9:19 PM
To:; 'Alex Hankey'; 'FIS Webinar'
Subject: Re: [Fis] Is quantum information the basis of spacetime?

More on Quantum information and emergent spacetime, this time by Erik P. 
Emergent Gravity and the Dark Universe

There is a less formal review at

I consider the idea very speculative, as I have seen no work on information 
within a spacetime boundary except for this sort of work.

Of course, meaning need not apply. I doubt that it is bounded by language, but 
it at least has to be representational. Perhaps more is also required. I am 
reluctant to talk of meaning when discussing the semiotics of biological 
chemicals, for example, but could not find a better word. A made up word like 
Deacon’s “entention” might work best, but it still would not apply to the 
physics cases, even though the information in the boundaries in all cases but 
the internal information one can tell you about the spacetime structure within 
the boundary. That seems to me that it is like smoke to fire: smoke doesn’t 
mean fire, despite the connection.

John Collier
Emeritus Professor and Senior Research Associate
Philosophy, University of KwaZulu-Natal

From: Fis [] On Behalf Of Loet Leydesdorff
Sent: Saturday, 12 November 2016 9:29 PM
To: 'Alex Hankey' ; 'FIS Webinar' 
Subject: Re: [Fis] Is quantum information the basis of spacetime?

Dear Alex and colleagues,

Thank you for the reference; but my argument was about “meaning”. “Meaning” can 
only be considered as constructed in language. Other uses of the word are 
metaphorical. For example, the citation to Maturana.

Information, in my opinion, can be defined content-free (a la Shannon, etc.) 
and then be provided with meaning in (scholarly) discourses. I consider physics 
as one among other scholarly discourses. Specific about physics is perhaps the 
universalistic character of the knowledge claims. For example: “Frieden's 
points apply to quantum physics
as well as classical physics.“ So what? This seems to me a debate within 
physics without much relevance for non-physicists (e.g., economists or 


Loet Leydesdorff
Professor, University of Amsterdam
Amsterdam School of Communication Research (ASCoR)  ;
Associate Faculty, SPRU,  University of Sussex;
Guest Professor Zhejiang Univ., Hangzhou; 
Visiting Professor, ISTIC,  Beijing;
Visiting Professor, Birkbeck, University of London;

From: Alex Hankey []
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 8:07 PM
To: Loet Leydesdorff; FIS Webinar
Subject: Re: [Fis] Is quantum information the basis of