Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?; towards a calculus of redundancy

2017-01-10 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Toward a Calculus of Redundancy: The feedback arrow of expectations in knowledge-based systems Loet Leydesdorff, Mark W. Johnson, Inga Ivanova (Submitted on 10 Jan 2017; https://arxiv.org/abs/1701.02455 ) Whereas the generation of Shannon-type

Re: [Fis] Game over! A Curious Story

2017-01-10 Thread Hector Zenil
There is no way I could trust such a proof as it would completely rely on the very particular and certainly arbitrary axiomatic theory in which such a proof could be produced (there is no way we can take the 'universe' as being operating on theories of relativity and quantum field, for example).

Re: [Fis] Game over! A Curious Story

2017-01-10 Thread Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov
Dear Terry and FISers, I know that there is probably theoretical “no proof” or guarantee in the mathematical sense, but this should not mean that irresponsible experiments can be carried out on a large scale like Tesla did them a century ago. What you suggest about “experiments of nature” sounds

Re: [Fis] Game over! A Curious Story

2017-01-10 Thread Terrence W. DEACON
Mathematic analysis seldom provides "proof" of any physical theory or prediction. This is of course why we do empirical experiments. So being unpersuaded by either side's theoretical analysis and prior to running the actual experiment on the LHC, what is the best approach? I think that there is

Re: [Fis] A Curious Story

2017-01-10 Thread Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov
Dear Louis, Pedro and FISers, I have been knowing Otto for about a litle less than 10 years now. What I have learned from him is that he has a very subtle sense of humor and wisdom. What I conclude about this issue with CERN's LHC is that he wishes nothing more/less than an a priori theoretical

[Fis] Game over! A Curious Story

2017-01-10 Thread tozziarturo
"The operation of the LHC is safe, not only in the old sense of that word, but in the more general sense that our most qualified scientists have thoroughly considered and analyzed the risks involved in the operation of the LHC. [Any concerns] are merely hypothetical and speculative, and

Re: [Fis] A Curious Story

2017-01-10 Thread Louis H Kauffman
Dear Folks, It is very important to not be hasty and assume that the warning Professor Rossler made is to be taken seriously. It is relatively easy to check if a mathematical reasoning is true or false. It is much more difficult to see if a piece of mathematics is correctly alligned to physical

[Fis] Fwd: Re: A Curious Story (L. Kauffman)

2017-01-10 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Mensaje reenviado Asunto: Re: [Fis] A Curious Story Fecha: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 10:36:07 -0600 De: Louis H Kauffman Para: PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ CC: fis@listas.unizar.es Dear Pedro,

[Fis] Fwd: Re: A Curious Story (J. Brenner)

2017-01-10 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Mensaje reenviado Asunto: Re: [Fis] A Curious Story Fecha: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 10:32:50 +0100 De: Joseph Brenner Responder a:Joseph Brenner Para: PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ ,

Re: [Fis] A Curious Story

2017-01-10 Thread Terrence W. DEACON
How many readers recall the fear that preceded the first test of a fission bomb, and then later of a fusion bomb, that such an explosion could ignite the earth's atmosphere? Sound familiar? I can even recall the reasoning that led some to argue that reaching the speed of sound in the atmosphere

[Fis] Fwd: Re: A Curious Story

2017-01-10 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
From Alex Hankey Mensaje reenviado Asunto: Re: [Fis] A Curious Story Fecha: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 19:55:55 +0530 De: Alex Hankey Para: PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ THIS STORY IS A GOOD REASON FOR SHUTTING DOWN

Re: [Fis] A Curious Story

2017-01-10 Thread Louis H Kauffman
Dear Pedro, Ok. Can we have the text of Professor Rossler’s proof that these mini-black holes > cannot Hawking evaporate > grow exponentially inside matter? It would be very interesting to debate the details. I find on the web:

[Fis] List problems

2017-01-10 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FISers, The problems with the spam filters continue. My own message with the Lecture was delayed 3 days. Further responses by Joseph, Lou, Terry and others have not appeared yet. I am talking with the University of Zaragoza officers in charge of the server... It is appalling that we

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2017-01-10 Thread Terrence W. DEACON
Leot remarks: "... we need a kind of calculus of redundancy." I agree whole-heartedly. What for Shannon was the key to error-correction is thus implicitly normative. But of course assessment of normativity (accurate/inacurate, useful/unuseful, significant/insignificant) must necessarily involve

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2017-01-10 Thread John Collier
Dear List, I agree with Terry that we should not be bound by our own partial theories. We need an integrated view of information that shows its relations in all of its various forms. There is a family resemblance in the ways it is used, and some sort of taxonomy can be constructed. I recommend