Re: [Fis] Principles of Information

2017-10-07 Thread Michel Godron
The "citations from Aristotle, Plato, Ortega, Leibnitz," are a particular type of IF "hypothetic assumptions". They cannot be falsifiable as the hypothesis of gravitional waves, but they may be discussed rationnally as starting points for principles and definitions of information.

Re: [Fis] Data - Reflection - Information

2017-10-07 Thread Karl Javorszky
Dear Krassimir, Thanks for the excellent summary of the diverse opinions. Please add to my citation the following sentence : A numeric approach uses the concept of counting in terms of consolidation of displacements, and points out the data as a specific element of a cycle, the information part

[Fis] Data - Reflection - Information

2017-10-07 Thread Krassimir Markov
Dear FIS Colleagues, It is time for my second post this week. Many thanks to Christophe Menant (for the profound question) and to all colleagues (for the very nice and useful comments)! ** Christophe Menant had written: “However, I'm not sure that “meaning” is enough to

Re: [Fis] If "data = information", why we need both concepts?

2017-10-07 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Dear Michel, I spent my career doing much the same thing with mutual information, which in this case quantifies the degree of constraint among the species. Encouraged by the suggestions of E.P. Odum, I hypothesized that ecosystems

Re: [Fis] If "data = information", why we need both concepts?

2017-10-07 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Cher Michel, Loet thinks that "Nobody of us provide an operative framework and a single (just one!) empirical testable prevision able to assess "information" I did not say this, but reacted to one of our colleagues saying this. Best, Loet ___

Re: [Fis] If "data = information", why we need both concepts?

2017-10-07 Thread Michel Godron
Dear colleagues Loet thinks that "Nobody of us provide an operative framework and a single (just one!) empirical  testable prevision able to assess "information" In my ecological work, I try  to know the relations between living organisms and their environment, and I use Brillouin's formula

Re: [Fis] Heretic

2017-10-07 Thread Koichiro Matsuno
On 4 Oct 2017 at 6:01 AM, tozziart...@libero.it wrote: my proposal is to forget about information, and to use your otherwise very valuable skills and efforts in other fields. This penetrating statement reminds me of another similar one made by John