Re: [Fis] Data - Reflection - Information

2017-10-09 Thread Mark Johnson
Dear Bob, In your Shannon Exonerata paper you have an example of three strings, their entropies and their mutual information. I very much admire this paper and particularly the critique of Shannon and the emphasis on the apophatic, but some things puzzle me. If these are strings of a living

Re: [Fis] I agree with your considerations.

2017-10-09 Thread DAVID KIRKLAND
Dear Krassimir and friends I often follow Fis discussions with much interest but rarely contribute. However, your current information/data debate is too good to miss; beautifully summarised by Krassimir's simple equation, using carefully chosen entities. Don't quite get the d=r. It seems to

Re: [Fis] I agree with your considerations.

2017-10-09 Thread Sungchul Ji
Hi Krassimir, You have my permission. Good luck. Sung From: Fis on behalf of Krassimir Markov Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 5:32:59 AM To: Foundation of Information Science Subject: [Fis] I agree with your

Re: [Fis] Data - Reflection - Information

2017-10-09 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
> A perspectival shift can help of the kind that Gregory Bateson once talked > about. When we look at a hand, do we see five fingers or four spaces? > Discourses are a bit like fingers, aren't they? Mark, The absence of the absent was a major theme of Bateson's, and he criticized physics for

Re: [Fis] Principles of Information

2017-10-09 Thread Emanuel Diamant
Dear Michel, Thank you for your comment. In the draft version of my post, mentioning the last Nobel Prize award I have followed it by a remark: “All FISers pretend to be Einstein; no one bothers himself with a (LIGO) detector building”. Then I decided that the phrase is unnecessary

Re: [Fis] Data - Reflection - Information

2017-10-09 Thread Karl Javorszky
Dear Krassimir, thank you for undertaking this project of an "Anthology of Contemporary Ideas on Information". Let me take up your kind encouragement (not published in fis) and offer the following contribution (through fis, in order to be able to request the colleagues to offer their comments:

[Fis] I agree with your considerations.

2017-10-09 Thread Krassimir Markov
Dear Yixin, Sung, Terry, Mark, and FIS Colleagues, I agree with your considerations! Let me remark that the General Information Theory is much more than a single concept. You have seen that I have some answers in advance due to already developed theory. What is important now is to finish this

Re: [Fis] Data - Reflection - Information

2017-10-09 Thread Mark Johnson
Which "information paradigm" is not a discourse framed by the education system? The value of the discussion about information - circular though it appears to be - is that we float between discourses. This is a strength. But it is also the reason why we might feel we're not getting anywhere! A