[Fis] The Giordano's answer !

2018-03-02 Thread Krassimir Markov
Yes, correct. The right concept is the “external observer” – answered Giordano!

From: Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov 
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 11:36 AM
To: Loet Leydesdorff 
Cc: fis 
Subject: Re: [Fis] Meta-observer?

I know him: his name is God, the meta-observer + meta-actor at the same time. 
Correct, Bruno?
;-)

best,

Plamen






On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Loet Leydesdorff  wrote:

  Dear Pedro, Koichiro, and colleagues,

  At the level of observers, indeed, a hierarchy may be involved for the change 
of focus (although this is empirical  and not necessarily the case). The 
communication, however, as a system different from the communicators may 
contain mechanisms such as "translation" which make it possible to redirect. 

  Best,
  Loet


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  Amsterdam School of Communication Research (ASCoR)

  l...@leydesdorff.net ; http://www.leydesdorff.net/ 
  Associate Faculty, SPRU, University of Sussex; 

  Guest Professor Zhejiang Univ., Hangzhou; Visiting Professor, ISTIC, Beijing;

  Visiting Fellow, Birkbeck, University of London; 

  http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYJ=en



  -- Original Message --
  From: "Koichiro Matsuno" 
  To: fis@listas.unizar.es
  Sent: 3/2/2018 6:41:12 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fis] Meta-observer?

On 28 Feb 2018 at 10:34 PM, PedroClemente Marijuan Fernadez wrote:

A sort of "attention" capable of fast and furious displacements of the 
focus...  helas, this means a meta-observer or an observer-in-command.

   Pedro, it is of course one thing to conceive of a hierarchy of observers 
for our own sake, but quite another to figure out what the concrete 
participants such as molecules are doing out there. They are doing what would 
seem appropriate for them to do without minding what we are observing. At issue 
must be how something looking like a chain of command could happen to emerge 
without presuming such a chain in the beginning. Prerequisite to its emergence 
would be the well-being of each participant taken care of locally, as a 
replenishable inevitable. That is an issue of the origins of life. The 
impending agenda is on something general universal as an object, and yet 
concrete particular enough in process. The richness resides within the 
concreteness down to the bottom. 



   Apropos, the communications among the local participants differ from 
computation despite the seemingly concrete outlook of the latter. Computation 
upon the notion of time as the linear sequence of the now points is not 
available to the local participants because of the lack of the physical means 
for guaranteeing the sharing of the same now-point among themselves.



   Koichiro Matsuno








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[Fis] New Discussion Session

2018-03-02 Thread Raquel del Moral

Dear FIS Colleagues,

We are preparing a new discussion session. Our invitee will be my 
colleague *Alberto Jiménez Schuhmacher*. He is a molecular biology 
researcher of our Institute (IIS Aragon) who has recently established 
his own lab. (So, he is relatively young!) But he has a very brilliant 
record of research achievements, mostly related to cancer physiology and 
detection and "virtual biopsies".


In what extent are we heading towards a new research paradigm of 
*DATAISM, as the end of classical hypothesis-driven research and the 
beginning of data-correlation-driven research?*


In a few days he will post his kickoff text.


Best wishes to all,

Raquel

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Grupo de Bioinformacion / Bioinformation Group

Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud
Avda. San Juan Bosco 13, 50009 Zaragoza
Tfno. +34 976 71 44 76
E-mail. rdelmoral.i...@aragon.es
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Re: [Fis] Meta-observer?

2018-03-02 Thread Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov
I know him: his name is God, the meta-observer + meta-actor at the same
time.
Correct, Bruno?
;-)

best,

Plamen






On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Loet Leydesdorff 
wrote:

> Dear Pedro, Koichiro, and colleagues,
>
> At the level of observers, indeed, a hierarchy may be involved for the
> change of focus (although this is empirical  and not necessarily the case).
> The communication, however, as a system different from the communicators
> may contain mechanisms such as "translation" which make it possible to
> redirect.
>
> Best,
> Loet
>
> --
>
> Loet Leydesdorff
>
> Professor emeritus, University of Amsterdam
> Amsterdam School of Communication Research (ASCoR)
>
> l...@leydesdorff.net ; http://www.leydesdorff.net/
> Associate Faculty, SPRU, University of
> Sussex;
>
> Guest Professor Zhejiang Univ. ,
> Hangzhou; Visiting Professor, ISTIC,
> Beijing;
>
> Visiting Fellow, Birkbeck , University of London;
> http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYJ=en
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Koichiro Matsuno" 
> To: fis@listas.unizar.es
> Sent: 3/2/2018 6:41:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fis] Meta-observer?
>
> On 28 Feb 2018 at 10:34 PM, PedroClemente Marijuan Fernadez wrote:
>
> A sort of "attention" capable of fast and furious displacements of the
> focus...  helas, this means a meta-observer or an observer-in-command.
>
>Pedro, it is of course one thing to conceive of a hierarchy of
> observers for our own sake, but quite another to figure out what the
> concrete participants such as molecules are doing out there. They are doing
> what would seem appropriate for them to do without minding what we are
> observing. At issue must be how something looking like a chain of command
> could happen to emerge without presuming such a chain in the beginning.
> Prerequisite to its emergence would be the well-being of each participant
> taken care of locally, as a replenishable inevitable. That is an issue of
> the origins of life. The impending agenda is on something general universal
> as an object, and yet concrete particular enough in process. The richness
> resides within the concreteness down to the bottom.
>
>
>
>Apropos, the communications among the local participants differ from
> computation despite the seemingly concrete outlook of the latter.
> Computation upon the notion of time as the linear sequence of the now
> points is not available to the local participants because of the lack of
> the physical means for guaranteeing the sharing of the same now-point among
> themselves.
>
>
>
>Koichiro Matsuno
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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