Re: [Fis] A Paradox

2018-03-04 Thread Alex Hankey
Current Information Science, particularly that purveyed by Fis, is far too poverty stricken to tackle this problem Xueshan. Metaphor is a rich purveyor of meaning utlised by human consciousness, even in the earliest epics written by mankind, like the Valmiki Ramayana, simply because human

Re: [Fis] A Paradox

2018-03-04 Thread Francesco Rizzo
P.s.: nel quarto rigo dal basso bisogna sostituire bene-capitale ad ALTRO valoreconbene-capitale ad ALTO valore. Grazie. Francesco. 2018-03-05 6:21 GMT+01:00 Francesco Rizzo <13francesco.ri...@gmail.com>: > Cari tutti, > permettetemi di dirVi alcune cose:

Re: [Fis] A Paradox

2018-03-04 Thread Francesco Rizzo
Cari tutti, permettetemi di dirVi alcune cose: * l'IN-FORM-AZIONE è un processo attraverso il quale prendono forma: le persone, gli animali, le piante, le idee, le cose, etc. * l'Informazione è preceduta dalla significazione e seguita dalla comunicazione; * è possibile classificare quattro tipi

Re: [Fis] A Paradox

2018-03-04 Thread ZouXiaohui
Dear Colleagues and Syed?? Thank you for your attention!Let me answer your questionCould you critique a view: Information is the container of meaning ?: Undoubtedly,the point of view ?? information is the container of meaning?? is certainly wrong.

Re: [Fis] A Paradox

2018-03-04 Thread Mark Johnson
Dear Loet, all, Pedro has just helped me significantly: it's what he refers to as "interlocking goals" (although I'm not sure about "goals" - too teleological?) What does that mean? Let's think about a transducer we are all familiar with (and one which I am doing a lot of work around at the

Re: [Fis] A Paradox

2018-03-04 Thread Søren Brier
Dear Sung May I suggest that you take a look at this paper that sums up the book http://www.integral-review.org/documents/Brier,%20Cybersemiotics,%20Vol.%209,%20No.%202.pdf and the point relevant to your objection is that you have to integrate cybernetics, systems and semiotics to create

Re: [Fis] A Paradox

2018-03-04 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear Mark, Can you, please, explain "transduction" in more detail? Perhaps, you can also provide examples? Best, Loet Loet Leydesdorff Professor emeritus, University of Amsterdam Amsterdam School of

[Fis] two senses of near phenomena: testable previsions

2018-03-04 Thread James Peters
Dear FISers, In reply to Arturo Tozzi's incisive observations about the occurrence of phenomenon A implying the occurrence of phenomenon B, there are two quantifiable means of testing the concurrence of A and B. 1. Spatially overlapping. Every physical phenomenon can be represented by a set

Re: [Fis] A Paradox

2018-03-04 Thread Mark Johnson
Dear Loet, all, I agree with this. Our construction of reality is never that of a single system: there are always multiple systems and they interfere with each other in the way that you suggest. I would suggest that behind all the ins-and-outs of codification or information and meaning is a very