[Fis] New Discussion Session

2018-03-02 Thread Raquel del Moral

Dear FIS Colleagues,

We are preparing a new discussion session. Our invitee will be my 
colleague *Alberto Jiménez Schuhmacher*. He is a molecular biology 
researcher of our Institute (IIS Aragon) who has recently established 
his own lab. (So, he is relatively young!) But he has a very brilliant 
record of research achievements, mostly related to cancer physiology and 
detection and "virtual biopsies".


In what extent are we heading towards a new research paradigm of 
*DATAISM, as the end of classical hypothesis-driven research and the 
beginning of data-correlation-driven research?*


In a few days he will post his kickoff text.


Best wishes to all,

Raquel

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[Fis] [Informational Bookkeeping] Jerry LR Chandler

2014-09-09 Thread Raquel del Moral



 Mensaje original 
Asunto: Re: [Fis] Informational Bookkeeping
Fecha:  Mon, 8 Sep 2014 09:51:28 -0400
De: Jerry LR Chandler jerry_lr_chand...@me.com
A:  Raquel del Moral rdelmoral.i...@aragon.es



Raquel:

The bookkeeping of cells and all other living creatures is in terms of atomic 
numbers.

The exactness of this bookkeeping is ensured by the physical laws of the 
conservation of mass and the conservation of electricity.

The method of bookkeeping is by the principles of relatonomics (a term coined 
for the purpose of bookkeeping by the electrical content of the atomic numbers.)

Cheers

Jerry


On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:11 AM, Raquel del Moralrdelmoral.i...@aragon.es  wrote:


 Dear Pedro,

 The concept of bookkeeping looks very interesting for biology, however, I can't see 
clearly how to apply it below the level of nervous systems. Counting maybe 
found in most biomolecules, but really registering in a book keeping manner is possible 
in the lower levels? e.g. unicellulars. Do you think that they modify their behaviour 
after checking their own bookkeeping registers?

 Just this brief comment!

 Best,
 Raquel


 El 05/09/2014 14:14, Pedro Marijuan escribió:

 Dear FIS colleagues,

 A very interesting comment by Bob about energy as a bookkeeping device
 in the other discussion track motivates these rough reflections.

 Actually, within the culture of mechanics (following Frank Wilczek)
 energy appears as the more reliable concept, beyond its cousins force
 and mass. Mechanics, like most scientific theories, finally is but a
 method to count upon variable aspects of simplified phenomena and
 provide inter-subjective objectivity(?). Numbers are due to our mental
 counting operations; and concepts, formulas and theories become
 bookkeeping devices to obtain more complex counting that dovetail with
 more complex phenomena. That our mental counting dovetails with nature's
 pretended counting is what the experimental side of science tries to
 establish. It becomes of great merit that energy constructs such as
 those mentioned by Bob do their bookkeeping accurately, in spite of
 their intrinsic limitations.

 My concern with the views expressed in the other track is that
 informational bookkeeping appears to be rather different from the
 mechanical physical bookkeeping or counting. There are new aspects not
 covered by the extensive and inflexible mechanical-dynamic counting,
 and which are essential to the new informational organizations we are
 discovering --and practicing around-- and to the new worldview that
 presumably we should search and promote. Is there bookkeeping in life?
 Do molecules count? Do bacteria or unicellulars bookkeep--and organisms?
 And complex brains? And individuals? And social groups? And companies
 and markets? And cities, regions and countries?

 Admittedly it is a potpourri; but yes, there are some clear instances
 where quite explicit a bookkeeping is maintained. It may be about
 signaling flows, about self production stuff flows, or about their
 inextricable mixing--involving whatever aspects. But these bookkeepings
 are made with attentional flexibility and different closure
 procedures that allow for new forms of compositional hierarchy
 (informational) not found in the mechanical. They are adaptive, they
 recognize, they are productively engaged in life cycles where the
 meaning is generated, they co-create new existential realms... In our
 own societies, the  exaggerated importance of new informational devices
 (historically: numbers, alphabets, books, calculi, computers, etc.)
 derives from their facilitation and acceleration of all the enormous
 bookkeeping activities that subtend the social complexity around.

 Who knows, focusing on varieties of bookkeeping might be quite productive!

 best ---Pedro

 
 *Pedro C. Marijuán Fernández*
 Dirección de Investigación

 Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud (IACS)
 Instituto de Investigación Sanitaria Aragón (IIS Aragón)
 Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA)
 Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta 1
 50009 Zaragoza
 Tfno. +34 976 71 4857
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Re: [Fis] Informational Bookkeeping

2014-09-08 Thread Raquel del Moral

Dear Pedro,

The concept of bookkeeping looks very interesting for biology, however, 
I can't see clearly how to apply it below the level of nervous systems. 
Counting maybe found in most biomolecules, but really registering in a 
book keeping manner is possible in the lower levels? e.g. unicellulars. 
Do you think that they modify their behaviour after checking their own 
bookkeeping registers?


Just this brief comment!

Best,
Raquel


El 05/09/2014 14:14, Pedro Marijuan escribió:

Dear FIS colleagues,

A very interesting comment by Bob about energy as a bookkeeping device
in the other discussion track motivates these rough reflections.

Actually, within the culture of mechanics (following Frank Wilczek)
energy appears as the more reliable concept, beyond its cousins force
and mass. Mechanics, like most scientific theories, finally is but a
method to count upon variable aspects of simplified phenomena and
provide inter-subjective objectivity(?). Numbers are due to our mental
counting operations; and concepts, formulas and theories become
bookkeeping devices to obtain more complex counting that dovetail with
more complex phenomena. That our mental counting dovetails with nature's
pretended counting is what the experimental side of science tries to
establish. It becomes of great merit that energy constructs such as
those mentioned by Bob do their bookkeeping accurately, in spite of
their intrinsic limitations.

My concern with the views expressed in the other track is that
informational bookkeeping appears to be rather different from the
mechanical physical bookkeeping or counting. There are new aspects not
covered by the extensive and inflexible mechanical-dynamic counting,
and which are essential to the new informational organizations we are
discovering --and practicing around-- and to the new worldview that
presumably we should search and promote. Is there bookkeeping in life?
Do molecules count? Do bacteria or unicellulars bookkeep--and organisms?
And complex brains? And individuals? And social groups? And companies
and markets? And cities, regions and countries?

Admittedly it is a potpourri; but yes, there are some clear instances
where quite explicit a bookkeeping is maintained. It may be about
signaling flows, about self production stuff flows, or about their
inextricable mixing--involving whatever aspects. But these bookkeepings
are made with attentional flexibility and different closure
procedures that allow for new forms of compositional hierarchy
(informational) not found in the mechanical. They are adaptive, they
recognize, they are productively engaged in life cycles where the
meaning is generated, they co-create new existential realms... In our
own societies, the  exaggerated importance of new informational devices
(historically: numbers, alphabets, books, calculi, computers, etc.)
derives from their facilitation and acceleration of all the enormous
bookkeeping activities that subtend the social complexity around.

Who knows, focusing on varieties of bookkeeping might be quite 
productive!


best ---Pedro


*Pedro C. Marijuán Fernández*
Dirección de Investigación

Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud (IACS)
Instituto de Investigación Sanitaria Aragón (IIS Aragón)
Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA)
Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta 1
50009 Zaragoza
Tfno. +34 976 71 4857
email. dirinvestigacion.i...@aragon.es
mailto:dirinvestigacion.i...@aragon.es
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[Fis] social exchanges

2013-11-12 Thread Raquel del Moral
Dear FIS colleagues,

Thanks for the comments received (basically Pedro and Bi Lin!). I am not 
much conversant today about cellular or bacterial communication (sorry 
Bruno...), as I try to discuss on person to person communication.

About the empirical data of my research, of interest for Bi Lin, we 
published a poster in AAAS Meeting 2012. I will upload that poster and 
some new data once the FIS website is refurbished. The basic data are 
not very different from a paper in Science (Are women really more 
talkative than men? Science 2007, vol. 317, pp:82), although we are 
looking from a wider angle, concretely the correlation with Mental 
Health. The gender differences are very intriguing!

For the new comers in the list, there is an archive with all the 
messages exchanged:
 https://webmail.unizar.es/pipermail/fis/
Interested parties may look for the current discussion session, which 
started on 27/09/2013.

Best,
 Raquel


El 12/11/2013 13:31, Bruno Marchal escribió:
 Dear Bi,

 On 12 Nov 2013, at 09:55, bilin1001 wrote:


   Dear Raquel,

   I am also a PhD student, in Information Philosophy. My Thesis deals
 with
 Mutual Meaning Space in social exchanges (interpersonal
 communication).
   I am very interested in your work on the necessity of conversation:
 do
   you have empirical data about that?
  
 Sex, which can be seen as molecular conversation, is an empirical data
 for the necessity of conversation, taken as exchange of information
 (DNA). Bacteria do it, either directly, or through viruses (the GSM
 of the bacterium).  Its main role is in the sped up of creating
 theories (the genome), and being able to refute them as much quickly
 (selection).
 Is there a first person notion associated with it? Probably. Hard to
 know.

 Best wishes,

 Bruno



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[Fis] Discussion Recap.

2013-10-31 Thread Raquel del Moral
Hi to everyone,

Sorry for my tardiness (life within a PhD is not very easy!)

First, I am happy that every body has agreed on the conceptual chain 
genotype-phenotype-sociotype. For me that's important, as it is one of 
the foundations of my own work and the research project associated.

I return to John Collier’s comments on sets of behaviors (praxotype) and 
cognitive capabilities (cognotype). It calls my attention that the 
cognotype is defined as a software: something configurable and 
extendable. This point makes me consider: has our cognition limits? From 
my point of view, the brain needs to be stimulated in order to be 
minimally functional, to feel good. Brain stimulation is needed to 
fix, maintain and strengthen the whole knowledge architecture, 
particularly in the social domain. Is there also an upper limit in this 
cognitive stimulation, or do we have unlimited processing capabilities? 
Seemingly, over-stimulation is only possible for a while, after which 
you lose the mental resistance and exhaustion ensues. In general, 
over-stimulation becomes negative and produces stress (e.g. learning in 
babies). Therefore, I believe that effective processing capacity does 
move within certain limits or thresholds.

Following the need to distinguish levels, I see our cognitive skills set 
as the essential element (micro). The behavior of the individual, the 
adopted roles, and the multiple relational situations are social 
phenomena studied by social psychology. Ok, but in order to understand 
the emerging macro-variables of the social structure, one must always 
take into account the whole cognitive capabilities of the individual. 
Hence I consider they are closely related levels. Although they may not 
follow the same laws, I think that they converge in the fact of moving 
within approximate thresholds, outside of which the system effectiveness 
is lost.

To make it clearer, in the extent to which they are effective, we could 
explore quantitatively some of these individual/social thresholds. And 
that's the goal of my PhD Thesis on the sociotype, to try to capture a 
few of them. How many relationships? How much talk?


Thanks to all for the useful comments!
Raquel

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Re: [Fis] THE SOCIOTYPE: From R. Zimmerman

2013-10-11 Thread Raquel del Moral
Dear Krassimir, Stan, and Rainer,

thank you very much for youy comments. In a few days I will try to 
respond, but for today, what about responding to a few basic sociotype 
questions?

How many nuclear family relationships do you have?
And how many close friends? and extended family?
And finally, how many social acquaintances?

Can you quantify how much time do you talk daily (on average)?
Can you separate the talking time for the above four categories?

I know this is pretty difficult (people have a lot of troubles on our 
test) but I would like to find some fis-volunteers...
You can also respond me offline


Good weekend!
Raquel


El 09/10/2013 11:15, Pedro C. Marijuan escribió:
 Message from
 Rainer Zimmermann


 Dear Raquel,

 may I just point out that your conception which I find quite promising,
 should be modified somewhat as to the symmetry between micro- and
 macrolevels(a point that is actually very important in order to
 introduce any concepts of emergence into this): Hence, if visualizing
 the sociality of human beingsas a kind of biological selection criterium
 that emerged some time during the hominization period and had to prove
 its evolutionary advantages by becoming a dominating paradigm, then
 sociality would have a micro-component (psychotype) which is the formal
 equivalent of the biological genotype, and a macro-component (sociotype)
 which is the formal equivalent of the biological phenotype.

 The advantage of defining two of these levels is twofold: first, it is
 more correct, because evolution on the one level does not necessarily
 entail the same evolution on the other, second, social groups consist of
 individuals which are to the social field generated by that group a
 singularity which is one source of this field at the same time. Hence,
 the agglomeration of individuals in groups cannot be described by the
 same language that is applied to describe the individuals. One is the
 macro-level (sociology), the other is the micro-level (psychology).The
 first is emergent with respect to the latter.

 Best,
 Rainer


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Re: [Fis] FIS new course

2013-09-12 Thread Raquel del Moral

Dear FISers,

We have been working in a couple of new ideas for the list. As Pedro has 
advanced you, for this new course we have planned two different kind of 
discussions, the thematic regular session (both junior and senior), and 
a new modality consisting in short discussions about interesting papers 
(we will arrange in the refurbished fis webpages a new platform to 
upload the papers). In relation to this, let me introduce you our new 
web master, David Sierra. We two will try to develop progressively the 
new changes, including the suggestions I have already received (Thanks!).


About the sociotype session, in a few weeks I will have finished the 
opening text.


I hope we will have an exciting discussion!


All the best,
Raquel



El 10/09/2013 18:05, Pedro C. Marijuan escribió:

Dear FISers,

We start a new course, hopefully retaking our exciting exchanges and 
discussions. Next days Raquel will send all of us a few detailed 
proposals. Besides our chaired discussion sessions, we are also trying 
to develop a new type of sessions, shorter ones, for instance around 
interesting publications --sort of a Journal Club. We have planned a 
couple of tentative regular sessions (one around the sociotype, and 
another about Noumena... well next days we will send more info. 
Herein I am adding below an abstract we have just published about 
eukaryotic intelligence. Maybe we can discuss about it until the 
next session starts.


best wishes to all

---Pedro

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BioSystems 114 (2013) 8-- 24
*On eukaryotic intelligence: Signaling system's guidance in the 
evolution of multicellular organization*

Pedro C. Marijuán?, Raquel del Moral, Jorge Navarro
Bioinformation and Systems Biology Group, Instituto Aragonés de 
Ciencias de la Salud (IACS), Zaragoza 50009, Spain


Communication with the environment is an essential characteristic of 
the living cell, even more when
considering the origins and evolution of multicellularity. A number of 
changes and tinkering inventions
were necessary in the evolutionary transition between prokaryotic and 
eukaryotic cells, which finally
made possible the appearance of genuine multicellular organisms. In 
the study of this process, however,
the transformations experimented by signaling systems themselves have 
been rarely object of analysis,
obscured by other more conspicuous biological traits: incorporation of 
mitochondria, segregated
nucleus, introns/exons, flagellum, membrane systems, etc. Herein a 
discussion of the main avenues of
change from prokaryotic to eukaryotic signaling systems and a review 
of the signaling resources and
strategies underlying multicellularity will be attempted. In the 
expansion of prokaryotic signaling systems,
four main systemic resources were incorporated: molecular tools for 
detection of solutes, molecular
tools for detection of solvent (Donnan effect), the apparatuses of 
cell-cycle control, and the combined
system endocytosis/cytoskeleton. The multiple kinds of enlarged, mixed 
pathways that emerged made
possible the eukaryotic revolution in morphological and physiological 
complexity. The massive incorporation
of processing resources of electro-molecular nature, derived from the 
osmotic tools counteracting
the Donnan effect, made also possible the organization of a 
computational tissue with huge information
processing capabilities: the nervous system. In the central nervous 
systems of vertebrates, and particularly
in humans, neurons have achieved both the highest level of 
molecular-signaling complexity and
the highest degree of information-processing adaptability. 
Theoretically, it can be argued that there has
been an accelerated pace of evolutionary change in eukaryotic 
signaling systems, beyond the other general
novelties introduced by eukaryotic cells in their handling of DNA 
processes. Under signaling system's
guidance, the whole processes of transcription, alternative splicing, 
mobile elements, and other elements
of domain recombination have become closely intertwined and have 
propelled the differentiation capabilities
of multicellular tissues and morphologies. An amazing variety of 
signaling and self-construction
strategies have emerged out from the basic eukaryotic design of 
multicellular complexity, in millions and
millions of new species evolved. This design can also be seen 
abstractly as a new kind of quasi-universal
problem-solving 'engine' implemented at the biomolecular 
scale---providing the fundamentals of eukaryotic
'intelligence'. Analyzing in depth the problem-solving intelligence of 
eukaryotic cells would help to
establish an integrative panorama of their information processing 
organization, and of their capability to
handle the morphological and physiological complexity associated. 
Whether an informational updating
of the venerable cell theory is feasible or not, becomes, at the 
time being -- right in the middle of the
massive data deluge/revolution from omic disciplines

[Fis] Fwd: Re: IT pitfalls? the other side of new infotechnologies

2013-06-24 Thread Raquel del Moral
Dear FISers, herein a message from Krassimir; the attachment he mentions 
can be find in the journal ITHEA. --Raquel




 Mensaje original 
Asunto: Re: [Fis] IT pitfalls? the other side of new infotechnologies
Fecha:  Sat, 22 Jun 2013 00:40:32 +0300
De: Krassimir Markov mar...@foibg.com
Responder-a::   Krassimir Markov mar...@foibg.com
Organización:   FOI; ITHEA
A: 	Joseph Brenner joe.bren...@bluewin.ch, Raquel del Moral 
rdelmoral.i...@aragon.es




Dear Raquel and Josef,
The other side of new info-technologies is quite dark !
Because of :
The problems which concern information and societies may be separated in 
two main parts:

- information in business, and
- business with information.
Both are based on modern IT technologies.
Business here is in its broadly meaning – all human activities (private 
and social).
We are Information subjects (INFOS-es) and our live tightly depends of 
information interaction and exchange.

And this cause the business with information...
Business with information is provided at the:
- information marked, and
- knowledge market, which is subdivision if the information market.
As at all other markets, here the main goal is not human prosperity but 
profit and monopolies.
Not clear understanding of the lows of information markets and, 
especially – of knowledge markets, is a great problem of all of us.

Problems you have pointed are closely connected to this, I think.
Please find attached the first issue of Jubilee 20th volume of the 
International Journal “Information Theories and Applications”.

Its first two papers discuss some similar problems.
Friendly regards
Krassimir
PS: I do not send this letter to FISers because of the attachment.
*From:* Joseph Brenner mailto:joe.bren...@bluewin.ch
*Sent:* Friday, June 21, 2013 3:53 PM
*To:* Raquel del Moral mailto:rdelmoral.i...@aragon.es ; fis 
mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es

*Subject:* Re: [Fis] IT pitfalls? the other side of new infotechnologies
Dear Raquel,
You wrote:
The whole effect of ITs on time allocation, learning, cognitive and 
emotional development, social bonding, and mental health has scarcely 
been researched…
...the “tunnel vision” promoted by information techno-utopians and 
propagandists
I think it is absolutely essential to call attention of people to the 
reality of these aspects of ITs as they are actually used and introduce 
some balance in the debate. One approach I suggest that may be useful in 
this strategy is to emphasize the qualitative, functional features of 
information itself, information-as-operator (Mark Burgin), 
information-as-process, /etc. /

Best wishes,
Joseph

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   *To:* fis mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es
   *Sent:* Friday, June 21, 2013 2:12 PM
   *Subject:* [Fis] IT pitfalls? the other side of new infotechnologies

   Dear FISers,

   I would like to exchange views about one of the aspects of my work
   (although is not the central theme of my thesis, and I will delay
   the post of the “sociotype” subject after summer time). We are
   contemplating the adverse consequences of the technology use. It
   relates to the discussions had in Milton Keynes conference,
   basically between Pedro and Liesbet and Luciano about the social
   pitfalls of contemporary information technologies. (I think that the
   records of these sessions can be found in the web)

   What we are considering is that the Information Technology grandeur
   (the brilliant aspects are publicized everywhere!) is accompanied by
   a growing sense of information saturation and impoverished
   socialization. Loneliness and depression indicators are in the
   raising, and happiness indicators are in the declining. The whole
   effect of ITs on time allocation, learning, cognitive and emotional
   development, social bonding, and mental health have been scarcely
   searched…

   Clearly, other unwanted effects more distant from mental health,
   such as the energetic burden, the pollution, the waste, the
   accelerated obsolescence, and the pilfering of valuable (e
   irreplaceable) mineral resources are seemingly beyond the “tunnel
   vision” promoted by information techno-utopians and propagandists.
   The micro-rationality of individual decisions in the market-context
   may conduce in the aggregate to utter social irrationality.

   What do you think about this controversy?

   Best,
   Raquel

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   Grupo de Bioinformacion / Bioinformation Group
   Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud
   Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA)
   Avda. San Juan Bosco 13, 50009 Zaragoza

   Tfno. +34 976 71 44 76
   e-mail.rdelmoral.i...@aragon.es

[Fis] IT pitfalls? the other side of new infotechnologies

2013-06-21 Thread Raquel del Moral

Dear FISers,


I would like to exchange views about one of the aspects of my work 
(although is not the central theme of my thesis, and I will delay the 
post of the sociotype subject after summer time). We are contemplating 
the adverse consequences of the technology use. It relates to the 
discussions had in Milton Keynes conference, basically between Pedro and 
Liesbet and Luciano about the social pitfalls of contemporary 
information technologies. (I think that the records of these sessions 
can be found in the web)


What we are considering is that the Information Technology grandeur (the 
brilliant aspects are publicized everywhere!) is accompanied by a 
growing sense of information saturation and impoverished socialization. 
Loneliness and depression indicators are in the raising, and happiness 
indicators are in the declining. The whole ITs effects on time 
allocation, learning, cognitive and emotional development, social 
bonding, and mental health have been scarcely searched...


Clearly, other unwanted effects more distant from mental health, such as 
the energetic burden, the pollution, the waste, the accelerated 
obsolescence, and the pilfering of valuable (e irreplaceable) mineral 
resources are seemingly beyond the tunnel vision promoted by 
information techno-utopians and propagandists. The micro-rationality of 
individual decisions in the market-context may conduce in the aggregate 
to utter social irrationality.



What do you think about this controversy?


Best,
Raquel

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Avda. San Juan Bosco 13, 50009 Zaragoza

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Re: [Fis] A young science?

2013-06-11 Thread Raquel del Moral
Dear Beth and all,

Many thanks for your message. I also want to thank to Michel, Joseph,
Krassimir, S?ren and Zong-Rong. In a few days I will post again with
more concrete comments. I feel particularly close to Beth's message (my
personal interpretation on her story-type) because of my own work on
the socio-type.

By the way, now I also care about technical details of the list. Please,
attached files are unwelcome in the messages, they cause problems in the
host server at the University of Zaragoza.


Best greetings to all,
Raquel


El 10/06/2013 9:31, Krassimir Markov escribió:
 Dear Zong-Rong,
 I am very interested to receive your files.
 Please send them to :
 mar...@foibg.com mailto:mar...@foibg.com
 Let me remember that ITHEA ISS support a web page
 http://ithea.org/fis/
 at which we may publish files to be downloaded from all FIS-ers.
 If you agree, I will add your files at this web page.
 Our point of view about theory is given in
 *Markov Kr., Kr. Ivanova, I.Mitov. Basic Structure of the General
 Information Theory. IJ ITA, Vol.14, No.: 1, ITHEA, 2007. pp.5-19*
 http://ithea.org/fis/GIT-ijita14-1.pdf
 and is available at FIS page too.
 Friendly regards
 Krassimir
 *From:* Zong-Rong Li mailto:z...@hubu.edu.cn
 *Sent:* Monday, June 10, 2013 3:43 AM
 *To:* fis mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es
 *Subject:* Re: [Fis] A young science?
 Dear all,
 Please open attached file.
 Best,
 Zong-Rong

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 From:Raquel del Moral rdelmoral.i...@aragon.es
 To:fis fis@listas.unizar.es
 Subject:[Fis] A young science?
 Date:2013-06-07 00:07:31

 Dear all,

 Last week I posted into the list to present myself as a new collaborator
 in the Fis secretariat, now I would like to talk about my other
 profile: I am a graduate student, making the PhD in neurosocial
 information. I am working in the structure of human relationships,
 social bonds, and in the dynamics of person-to-person communication from
 an evolutionary point of view (I have done my degree on biology).

 From hereon, I think that PhD students should try to enter into Fis
 discussions more often (I am sure that among the 300 FISers there
 should be several tens of PhDs!). We should be able to post our own
 ideas and to coordinate a junior session too. I think FIS forums are a
 great platform to exchange ideas and they could be very enriching to
 develop our Theses. At least I will risk to post the central ideas of my
 own thesis in a few weeks, with the hope that a good debate could be
 established... isn't the new information science a young science??


 Best,
 Raquel

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 Grupo de Bioinformacion / Bioinformation Group
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 Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA)
 Avda. San Juan Bosco 13, 50009 Zaragoza

 Tfno. +34 976 71 44 76
 e-mail.rdelmoral.i...@aragon.es
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Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA)
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[Fis] FIS Secretariat

2013-05-31 Thread Raquel del Moral
Dear FISers,

I am Raquel del Moral and, as Pedro has told you, I am going to 
cooperate with him to administer the FIS list. So I hope to develop 
properly this new task --at least I'll do my best! I am happy to 
participate actively in this exciting project, and I will try to bring 
some new ideas about the list discussions and the fis web pages. But of 
course, to maintain alive the FIS forums the most important factor is 
receiving your ideas and contributions. Please, feel free to contact me 
and to propose whatever items or suggestions(preferably through personal 
mails, off-list).


Best greetings,

Raquel

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Raquel del Moral
Grupo de Bioinformacion / Bioinformation Group
Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud
Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA)
Avda. San Juan Bosco 13, 50009 Zaragoza

Tfno. +34 976 71 44 76
e-mail.rdelmoral.i...@aragon.es

** You may have a glance on the bioinformation group at:
https://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/archivos
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Re: [Fis] Beijing FIS Group

2010-09-21 Thread Raquel del Moral




Hi! 

thank you Xueshan for the question:

  
Are there any difference between transmitter in Neuroscience
and hormone in Endocrinology from the viewpoint of
information transmission and communication ?
  

I can only give a few hints, as otherwise the message would be awfully
long: 

In the reception aspect there are clear differences: neurotransmitters
information enters into the cell by means of the activation of
ligand-gated channels (also throughout G proteins pathways) and it is a
very fast process, often in miliseconds; while hormones (e.g. steroids)
affect very slow pathways usually of intracellular receptors with only
one-component. But this difference is often blurred as hormones may
occupy G proteins pathways too.

As for the emission aspect, hormones are often endocrine (holistic
impact via circulatory system) and paracrine (regionally secreted)
while neurotransmitter are terribly localized at the level of the
synapse. Again things get complicated, as neuropeptides for instance
may be working in both ways; endocrine-paracrine as neuromodulators,
and locally as neurotransmitters (even mixed also at the level of their
reception pathways!!).

Better if we dont speak about transportation
;-) !!

Was it useful at all? A good reference can be found in Kandel et al. Mc
Graw-Hill 2000 (a very tough book!)


Best regards, Raquel
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Re: [Fis] Beijing FIS Group

2010-09-17 Thread Raquel del Moral





Hi! We are Jorge
Navarro and Raquel del Moral, we both work with Pedro in Systems
Biology and Neuroscience
(we are experimentalist and theoretical too, very close to some of
you).
Congratulations
for your great group  it looks very impressive-- and welcome to the
FIS. We
expect we will exchange ideas and cooperate with you in not so long
time.:) Its
always nice to share knowledge about science!

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Re: [Fis] fis events--cognits

2008-12-05 Thread Raquel del Moral




Hi!

I'm new in the list, from the field of neurobiology. I've been googling
about the cognit stuff but apart from Fuster book, the results have
been very disappointing. Could anyone in the list, please, indicate me
further references?


Thank you very much!! 

Raquel



Pedro C. Marijuan escribi:

  Dear FIS colleagues,

Real conferences are unique occasions where ideas and projects may 
fructify far more easily than just via electronic means. There might be 
some fis-related events next year, among them the Symmetry conference 
announced days ago. Well, in the last conference arranged in Leon 
(Spain) about the Information concept and Information theories, one of 
the outcomes was arranging a small group to advance in the 
neuroscientific, cognitive and logical aspects associated to the 
"cognit" approach --interested parties will remember it was also 
discussed months ago in our list. A prestigious neuro-imaging researcher 
of Madrid (Tomas Ortiz), myself and a few other Spanish colleagues from 
logics and linguistics are in the group. Tomas has just joined our 
discussion list... It is a difficult task, and we will welcome any 
cooperation or involvement from FIS colleagues, either in the small 
group or openly in the list. Cognits, as was originally "coined" by 
neuroscientist J. Fuster, are quite intriguing constructs, and may imply 
a radically new approach to categories / concepts regarding human 
communication. 

best

Pedro

Pedro C. Marijun
Grupo de Bioinformacin
Instituto Aragons de Ciencias de la Salud
Avda. Gmez Laguna, 25, Pl. 11
50.009 Zaragoza. Espaa
Telf: 34 976 71 3526 ( 6818) Fax: 34 976 71 5554
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