Re: [Fis] What is "Agent"?

2017-10-16 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Dear Krassimir, In agreement or partial agreement with most responses, I see the kernel of agency as autocatalysis, by virtue of the centripetality that dynamic engenders. Autocatalysis is a subset of feedbacks wherein each link in a loop benefits the next member. It is easy to show that such

Re: [Fis] Data - Reflection - Information

2017-10-13 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Dear Mark, Thank you for your interest in my FIS paper! I didn't intend by it to infer that Shannon-class measures were the ultimate tool for information science, only to argue against prematurely rejecting that thrust entirely -- as so many

Re: [Fis] Data - Reflection - Information

2017-10-09 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
> A perspectival shift can help of the kind that Gregory Bateson once talked > about. When we look at a hand, do we see five fingers or four spaces? > Discourses are a bit like fingers, aren't they? Mark, The absence of the absent was a major theme of Bateson's, and he criticized physics for

Re: [Fis] If "data = information", why we need both concepts?

2017-10-07 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Dear Michel, I spent my career doing much the same thing with mutual information, which in this case quantifies the degree of constraint among the species. Encouraged by the suggestions of E.P. Odum, I hypothesized that ecosystems

Re: [Fis] Information: a metaphysical word; what is chemical information?

2017-04-14 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
ar 27, 2017, at 10:37 AM, Robert E. Ulanowicz <u...@umces.edu> >> wrote: >> >> First off, that information is always relative is the obverse of the >> third >> law of thermodynamics. It cannot be otherwise. >> <http://people.clas.ufl.edu/ulan/files/

Re: [Fis] Causation is transfer of information

2017-03-28 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
In order: John, I agree. For example, if one identifies information with constraint, the notion of information as causation becomes tautologous. It also feeds into the notion of "It from bit"! Terry, I agree, best to remain as catholic as possible in our conception of the notion. Otto:

Re: [Fis] Fw: A Curious Story

2017-01-21 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Dear Joseph, Pedro & Otto, Just my own 2 cents on a topic with which I have little familiarity. I heartily agree with our dear departed friend Michael Conrad. We are indeed looking at the underlying physics of the universe, however, I would maintain (and I think that Joseph and Otto would

Re: [Fis] A Curious Story

2017-01-11 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Dear Prof. Roessler: My training in quantum physics lies over a half-century in the past, so I cannot add or detract from the specifics of this issue without exposing my ignorance. I can only respond as an engineer with a devotion to the field of dimensional analysis. I note that the Planck

Re: [Fis] _ Reply to Annette (A Priori Modeling)

2016-06-22 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
I agree with Stan. The Shannon formula measures "capacity" for information, *not* information itself. Consider the "snow" pattern on a TV without a signal. Its Shannon measure is much higher than when a picture appears onscreen, yet we know that the snow pattern carries no information. We should

Re: [Fis] Fwd: Re: Cancer Cure? (Plamen S.)

2016-06-02 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
> Mensaje reenviado > Asunto: Re: [Fis] Cancer Cure? > Fecha:Tue, 31 May 2016 19:54:05 +0200 > De: Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov > Para: Robert Ulanowicz > CC: Pedro C. Marijuan > Dear

Re: [Fis] Cancer Cure?

2016-05-30 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
> And yet, SOC is only one of the theoretical options that can resonate > together. What I am interested to know is: do yo think that SOC is a good > point to start from when moving from physics to biology? Dear Plamen: Most renditions of SOC with which I am familiar involve single homogeneous

Re: [Fis] Clarifying Posting

2016-05-06 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
> Pedro -- In short, how might phenomenology relate to science? There is > one > approach - to physiology - that was taken by the British physiologist, > John > B. Haldane. He did ALL his experiments upon himself. > > STAN Dear Pedro, Most of the discussion has centered about phenomenology in

Re: [Fis] The next round on physics and phenomenology

2016-05-02 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Dear Alex, I have considerable sympathy with the phenomenological backbone of your argument. I would caution, however, about relying on quantum theory (a la Planck) as a literal support of it. I was trained as an engineer to place great emphasis on dimensional considerations, specifically on the

[Fis] _ Re: _ In defense of quantum mechanics

2016-04-04 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Ladies & Gentlemen: To conserve on my postings, I would like to consolidate three comments: The first is an addendum by Dr. Ed Dellian, historian of science regarding the linear vs. quadratic forms of energy in QM. I append them below. Secondly, I note Mark JohnsonÂ’s remarks: "More deeply,

[Fis] _ Re: _ Re: _ Re: _ Re: On mathematical theories and models in biology

2016-03-29 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Dear Guy, Please allow me to respond to your invitation to Terry with my two cents. My triad for supporting the dynamics of life is a bit different. I see the three essential fundamentals as: 1. Aleatoricism 2. Feedback 3. Memory Just to briefly elaborate on each: 1. I use aleatoricism to

[Fis] _ Re: _ Closing lecture

2016-02-02 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Dear Howard, Thank you for leading a very interesting discussion! Beyond my earlier comments, I just wanted to add what I believe is a minority opinion among the FIS group. I believe that information possesses both epistemic and ontic features. Many opinions have been expressed concerning the

Re: [Fis] _ RE: _ Re: Cho 2016 The social life of quarks

2016-01-21 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Just a few words to follow on Pedro's concerning Howard's question: >From our perspective all quarks are completely indistinguishable and homogeneous, so the practical answer to Howard's question is "No, quarks cannot communicate --period!" It is possible, however, to imagine that quarks, being

Re: [Fis] January Lecture--Information and the Forces of History

2016-01-06 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Dear Howard and Pedro, Please allow me to comment on the complementary visions of the Lucifer vs. the "angelic" scenarios. Anyone familiar with my work knows that I see configurations of mutually beneficial processes as the driver behind all of evolution. The problem is that this dynamic is,

Re: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research: The Lifel, Deep Society Build-A-Thon - 1

2015-12-11 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Dear Nikhil, As regards ecosystems, some 20% or so of bound energy is retained via cycling, but the primary function of cycling as conservator is with limiting elements. Often 70+% of necessary elements are retained via cycling within the system. This becomes very evident when one regards coral

Re: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research

2015-11-23 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
les/Crisis.pdf> These notions have already attracted the attention of the French Ministry of Economics, and our colleague, Bernard Lietaer, has been busy extolling the connection all across the European academy. Peace to all, Bob Ulanowicz -----------

Re: [Fis] Shannon-Weavers' Levels A, B, C.

2015-10-14 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
> On 2015-10-14, at 12:38 PM, Marcus Abundis wrote: > >> RE Mark Johnson's post of Thu Oct 1 09:47:13 on Bateson and imagination Two quick remarks: 1. It's not at all clear to me that C is subsumptive of B. 2. I would lobby for Shannon/Bayesian relationships as an intermediary between A. and B

Re: [Fis] [Fwd: Re: Information is a linguistic description of structures]--T...

2015-09-29 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Howard: I applaud your critique of our legacy attempts to render life meaningful in terms of what you call "necrophilia" and Hans Jonas has called an "ontology of death". In my last book, "A Third Window", I attempted to develop the metaphysics of a process ecology of relationships as an

Re: [Fis] Information and Locality Introduction

2015-09-11 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
I'll have to weigh in with Stan on this one. Stan earlier had defined information more generally as "constraint". It is convenient to employ the IT calculus to separate constraint from indeterminacy. This is possible in complete abstraction from anything to do with communication. The ability to

Re: [Fis] Answer to Mark. Phenomenology and Speculative Realism

2015-08-01 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Dear Joseph et al., I'm afraid I can't comment on the adequacy Husserlian phenomenology, as I never could get very far into Hursserl. I would just add that there is also a variety of phenomenology associated with thermodynamics and engineering. The generic meaning of phenomenology is the study

Re: [Fis] Answer to the comments made by Joseph

2015-07-27 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Folks I know there is a long legacy of equating information with entropy, and dimensionally, they are the same. Qualitatively, however, they are antithetical. From the point of view of statistical mechanics, information is a *decrease* in entropy, i.e., they are negatives of each other. This all

Re: [Fis] Information Foundation of the Act--F.Flores L.deMarcos

2015-07-26 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Dear Dr. Marcos-Ortega: Are you aware of the algorithm to remove cycles from a weighted digraph? http://people.clas.ufl.edu/ulan/files/Cyclng83.pdf It is available as a DOS routine http://www.cbl.umces.edu/~ulan/ntwk/network.html (see NETWRK4.2) or in R for Windows

Re: [Fis] It From Bit video

2015-05-26 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
I would like to strongly reinforce John's comments about boundary conditions. We tend to obsess over the laws and ignore the boundary statements. (Sort of a shell game, IMHO.) If boundary conditions cannot be stated in closed form, the physical problem remains indeterminate! (The aphorism from

Re: [Fis] What are information and science?

2015-05-20 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Dear Dai: To say that molecules only interact directly is to ignore the metabolic matrix that constitutes the actual agency in living systems. For example, we read everywhere how DNA/RNA directs development, when the molecule itself is a passive material cause. It is the network of proteomic and

Re: [Fis] Information-as-Process

2014-12-12 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Dear Ken Pedro, Unfortunately, I have not read Friston's thesis. In his abstract he writes, Furthermore, if we look closely at what is optimized, the same quantity keeps emerging, namely value (expected reward, expected utility) or its complement, surprise (prediction error, expected cost). This

Re: [Fis] Neuroinformation?

2014-12-03 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Dear Dr. Isiegas: I envision neuroinformation as the mutual information of the neuronal network where synaptic connections are weighted by the frequencies of discharge between all pairs of neurons. This is directly analogous to a network of trophic exchanges among an ecosystem, as illustrated in

Re: [Fis] Physical InformaticsÂ… (J.Brenner)

2014-10-20 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Dear Bob, What you are saying is the obverse of the third law of thermodynamics. The third law says that entropy (viz., disorder) can only be measured with respect to some reference condition. Since information is the complement of entropy in Bayesian informatics, then the obverse becomes,

Re: [Fis] Fw: Responses

2014-01-21 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
The reason of being of information, whatever its content or quantity, is to be used by an agent (biological or artificial). Dear Christophe, In making this restriction you are limiting the domain of information to communication and excluding all information that inheres in structure per-se.

Re: [Fis] FW: Responses

2014-01-12 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Dear Christophe, I tried to qualify my use of meaning, but perhaps I wasn't clear enough. In my example I wanted to say that I(A;B) is a quantity that can be considered a proto-meaning of B to A. Another way of saying the same thing is that I(A;B) quantifies A in the context of B. I should have