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s or corrections would be welcome. Sung From: Terrence W. DEACON <dea...@berkeley.edu> Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 8:30 PM To: Sungchul Ji Cc: KrassimirMarkov; foundationofinformationscience; 钟义信 Subject: Re: [Fis] Data - Reflection - Information Agai

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design. Best, Loet Best wishes, Mark From: Loet Leydesdorff Sent: ‎14/‎10/‎2017 16:06 To: Terrence W. DEACON; Sungchul Ji Cc: foundationofinformationscience Subject: Re: [Fis] Data - Reflection - Information Dear Terry and colleagues, "Language is rather the special case, the

Re: [Fis] Data - Reflection - Information

om: Loet Leydesdorff <mailto:l...@leydesdorff.net> Sent: ‎14/‎10/‎2017 16:06 To: Terrence W. DEACON <mailto:dea...@berkeley.edu>; Sungchul Ji <mailto:s...@pharmacy.rutgers.edu> Cc: foundationofinformationscience <mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es> Subject: Re: [Fis]

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be an epiphenomenon of something deeper. Best wishes, Mark -Original Message- From: "Loet Leydesdorff" <l...@leydesdorff.net> Sent: ‎14/‎10/‎2017 16:06 To: "Terrence W. DEACON" <dea...@berkeley.edu>; "Sungchul Ji" <s...@pharmacy.rutgers.edu

Re: [Fis] Data - Reflection - Information

Dear Terry and colleagues, "Language is rather the special case, the most unusual communicative adaptation to ever have evolved, and one that grows out of and depends on informationa/semiotic capacities shared with other species and with biology in general." Let me try to argue in favor of

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Dear Mark, Thank you for your interest in my FIS paper! I didn't intend by it to infer that Shannon-class measures were the ultimate tool for information science, only to argue against prematurely rejecting that thrust entirely -- as so many

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9/‎10/‎2017 15:20 To: "Mark Johnson" <johnsonm...@gmail.com> Cc: "foundationofinformationscience" <fis@listas.unizar.es> Subject: Re: [Fis] Data - Reflection - Information > A perspectival shift can help of the kind that Gregory Bateson once talked > about. When w

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> A perspectival shift can help of the kind that Gregory Bateson once talked > about. When we look at a hand, do we see five fingers or four spaces? > Discourses are a bit like fingers, aren't they? Mark, The absence of the absent was a major theme of Bateson's, and he criticized physics for

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Dear Krassimir, thank you for undertaking this project of an "Anthology of Contemporary Ideas on Information". Let me take up your kind encouragement (not published in fis) and offer the following contribution (through fis, in order to be able to request the colleagues to offer their comments:

Re: [Fis] Data - Reflection - Information

Terrence W. DEACON Sent: ‎09/ -Original Message- From: "Terrence W. DEACON" <dea...@berkeley.edu> Sent: ‎09/‎10/‎2017 01:31 To: "Sungchul Ji" <s...@pharmacy.rutgers.edu> Cc: "foundationofinformationscience" <fis@listas.unizar.es> Subject: Re: [F

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Against "meaning" I think that there is a danger of allowing our anthropocentrism to bias the discussion. I worry that the term 'meaning' carries too much of a linguistic bias. By this I mean that it is too attractive to use language as our archtypical model when we talk about information.

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nscience Subject: Re: [Fis] Data - Reflection - Information Dear Krassiir, The formulars you proposed in your summary is good. May I mention that the following formulas will be more precise: Object Info = External info = Syntactic info = Data Perceived info = Internal info = Syntactic info + Sema

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Dear Krassiir,The formulars you proposed in your summary is good. May I mention that the following formulas will be more precise:Object Info = External info = Syntactic info = DataPerceived info = Internal info = Syntactic info + Semantic info + Pragmatic infoIn other words, data is also a kind of

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Dear Krassimir, Thanks for the excellent summary of the diverse opinions. Please add to my citation the following sentence : A numeric approach uses the concept of counting in terms of consolidation of displacements, and points out the data as a specific element of a cycle, the information part

[Fis] Data - Reflection - Information

Dear FIS Colleagues, It is time for my second post this week. Many thanks to Christophe Menant (for the profound question) and to all colleagues (for the very nice and useful comments)! ** Christophe Menant had written: “However, I'm not sure that “meaning” is enough to