Re: [Fis] Fis Digest, Vol 32, Issue 13

2016-11-16 Thread Dai Griffiths
Many (most?) linguistic interactions are not propositional in the sense that you imply. There is no verifiable equivalent to opening the fridge door for utterances like "Cool", "Give us a hand won't you", "You're welcome", "Justin Bieber is wonderful", "You go and sneak in round the back

Re: [Fis] Fis Digest, Vol 32, Issue 13

2016-11-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Malcolm Dean and colleagues, On 12 Nov 2016, at 22:11, Malcolm Dean wrote: To an animal about to be attacked and eaten, the meaning of an approaching predator is quite clear. Obviously, meaning is produced by, within, and among Observers, and not by language. Meaning may be produced

Re: [Fis] Fis Digest, Vol 32, Issue 13

2016-11-14 Thread Bob Logan
Dear FISers - I enjoyed Jose’s distinction of meaning and sense making. Employing McLuhan’s notion of figure and ground in which one can only understand a figure in terms of the ground in which it operates, I would therefore say that meaning is figure and sense-making is the ground in which

Re: [Fis] Fis Digest, Vol 32, Issue 13

2016-11-14 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear Malcolm: To an animal about to be attacked and eaten, the meaning of an approaching predator is quite clear. Obviously, meaning is produced by, within, and among Observers, and not by language. “Quite clear” and “obviously” are no arguments. It is “as if” the animal attributes

Re: [Fis] Fis Digest, Vol 32, Issue 13

2016-11-12 Thread Malcolm Dean
To an animal about to be attacked and eaten, the meaning of an approaching predator is quite clear. Obviously, meaning is produced by, within, and among Observers, and not by language. Meaning may be produced *through* language, not *in* language, as a medium of interaction (aka communication).