### Re: [Fis] INFORMATION: JUST A MATTER OF MATH

t; > > >Koichiro Matsuno > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Fis [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] *On Behalf Of *Terrence > W. DEACON > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 19, 2017 1:26 AM > *To:* Foundations of Information Science Information Science < > Fis@list

### Re: [Fis] INFORMATION: JUST A MATTER OF MATH

...@listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Terrence W. DEACON Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 1:26 AM To: Foundations of Information Science Information Science <Fis@listas.unizar.es> Subject: Re: [Fis] INFORMATION: JUST A MATTER OF MATH All of these claims and counter-claims are null hypo

### Re: [Fis] INFORMATION: JUST A MATTER OF MATH

18 sep. 2017 kl. 18:25 skrev Terrence W. DEACON>: All of these claims and counter-claims are null hypotheses - hypothetical axioms yet to be tested, both for logical coherence and empirical usefulness. Place your bets. Mine are on contrary

### Re: [Fis] INFORMATION: JUST A MATTER OF MATH

On 18 Sep 2017, at 18:25, Terrence W. DEACON wrote: All of these claims and counter-claims are null hypotheses - hypothetical axioms yet to be tested, both for logical coherence and empirical usefulness. Place your bets. Mine are on contrary assumptions: i.e. non-Turing computability,

### Re: [Fis] INFORMATION: JUST A MATTER OF MATH

All of these claims and counter-claims are null hypotheses - hypothetical axioms yet to be tested, both for logical coherence and empirical usefulness. Place your bets. Mine are on contrary assumptions: i.e. non-Turing computability, fundamental incompleteness, and a deep entanglement between

### Re: [Fis] INFORMATION: JUST A MATTER OF MATH

Cari Tutti, per com-prendere l'esistenza e la conoscenza esiste un'unica legge: quella dell'informazione. Materia, energia, spazio, tempo, etc., non sono altro che informazione materiale, informazione energetica, informazione spaziale, informazione temporale, etc. Sono pervenuto anch'io (ma non

### Re: [Fis] INFORMATION: JUST A MATTER OF MATH

Dear Arturo, all, First of all, thank you to Pedro for exciting the list again - I was missing it! I have sympathy with Arturo's position, not because I am a mathematician (I'm not), but because I get tired of the "posturing" that qualitative positions produce among academics. I work in

### Re: [Fis] INFORMATION: JUST A MATTER OF MATH

vendredi 15 septembre 2017 20:25 À : Foundations of Information Science Information Science Cc : tozziart...@libero.it Objet : Re: [Fis] INFORMATION: JUST A MATTER OF MATH I agree with Arturo. I understand information exclusively as matter and energy, and the diversity of their states through space

### Re: [Fis] INFORMATION: JUST A MATTER OF MATH

I agree with Arturo. I understand information exclusively as matter and energy, and the diversity of their states through space/time. What else it there? The alternative would be to accept ‘information’ as merely an heuristic concept that helps us to communicate and make sense of our lives

### Re: [Fis] INFORMATION: JUST A MATTER OF MATH

Dear Pedro, dear Arturo and dear FISers, Thank you Pedro for these 10 principles of information science. Even if it happens that somebody could disagree with some of these principles, at least these 10 principles exist and they constitute a suitable basis (if not a reference) for further

### Re: [Fis] INFORMATION: JUST A MATTER OF MATH

Dear Arturo, Math is indeed a language that CAN describe scientific issues, but it is not the only one. And its ability to cuantify scientific issues do not necesarily make it superior. Math and natural language face the same formal and logical problems: they cannot make staments about themselves

### [Fis] INFORMATION: JUST A MATTER OF MATH

Dear FISers, I'm sorry for bothering you, but I start not to agree from the very first principles. The only language able to describe and quantify scientific issues is mathematics.Without math, you do not have observables, and information is observable. Therefore, information IS energy or