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Re: [Fis] Test - Post

[Stanley Salthe]

Replying to Jerry, then Joe, then Guenther, then Loet -


Jerry said -- 




To List, Pedro, Bob:

The posts on this topic have become increasingly puzzling to me.

Frankly, Pedro, you post, along with Bob's concurrence,  pushed me 
into writing this response.




Is our concept of information / communication to become merely the 
science of "info souls" working off of our "taxonomic instincts" 
such that we become a Borges category of the "embalmed ones"?  



If I have my choice, I would prefer to enter Borges "Celestial 
Emporium" with a mermaid or perhaps as one "drawn with a very fine 
camel's hair brush!"   ;-)  :-)  :-)  

Of course, my effort at humor is not to be taken very seriously, but 
it is not to be totally disregarded either.  The point is direct: 
the method of classification plays a crucial role in our logics.


Allow me to use examples.

The 81 boxes of the 9 squares of a successfully completed Sudoku 
puzzle are in perfect order.

The list of chemical elements is in perfect order.
The list of integers is in perfect order.

How do these examples of order distinguish themselves?
Each of the examples follows a grammar or rules or axioms such that 
the symbols convey meaning to the reader, the recipient of the 
message.  

The message in each statement is encoded such that the regularity of 
the object can be decoded. 
In other words, the concept of order is integral to the possibility 
of exchanging information; the possibility of information subsumes 
the notion of an order relation.  
Thus, order, whether in one, two, three, four, or more dimensions, 
is the antecedence of the concept of information; information is a 
consequence of order or a belief in order.  The notion of a message 
presupposes (or subsumes) the concept of a sender and of a 
(putative) receiver.


 S:  But information theoretic definition of information is only 
one of three known.  The other two are:


(2) info as constraint on entropy production (as seen in the values 
of constants in equations).

(3) Info as a difference that makes a difference (within a semiotic system).




In all cases that I am aware of, that is, the observable material 
universe, the source of the order is a natural one.


  The natural order of our material universe appears, from a 
cosmological perspective, to have emerged from the natural order of 
the atomic numbers.*


 (The path from the "big bang" to the "present" passes through the 
atomic numbers.  While less stable particles are associated with 
earlier cosmological events, I will leave that "can of worms" to the 
physicists and the theologians and justify this argument on the well 
established stable scientific theory of the chemical origins of our 
surroundings.)


  S: I would insist that physical origins preceded the chemical, as in
{physical {chemical {biological {sociopolitical



Why is this important? 

The chemical sciences admit as a foundational principle that highly 
irregular objects can be formed from the chemical elements. 
Irregularity is intrinsic to chemical relations.  Regularity is the 
*exception* to chemical structural relations and to dynamic 
biochemical relations.
The role of irregularity in chemical structural relations is so 
profound that we lack methods to count the number of isomers, the 
number of irregularities.   In addition to structural irregularity, 
irregularity  that can be expressed as sequence of logical 
operations that follow one from another, are common in chemistry, 
biology, medicine and other biological disciplines. 

+++This view of the chemical nature of our environment, our 
situation on this earth, is radically different from the typical 
assumption of order of our physical theories. In both thermodynamics 
and quantum mechanics, the order and regularity of the integers is 
subsumed directly into the message, directly into the information, 
directly into the encoding and decoding processes.+++


  S: So, you are claiming that Nature is NOT orderly?
-

Joe --  My thoughts, as I read your below, go to fuzzy logic.  How 
does that interact with your effort?




Dear Colleagues (and Anti-leagues?),

Pedro has just called attention, again, to a possible role of logic in
facilitating new approaches to seemingly intractable problems and
divergences of opinion. The question is "What logic?" In my view, it cannot
be any classical or neo-classical bivalent predicate logic or its modal or
tense extensions. The reason is that these all have, as their elements, some
classical truth values or their mathematical equivalents.

As some of you know, I have recently had published a book, entitled Logic in
Reality, that sets forth a new kind of logic (LIR) extended to real
phenomena, including object entities seen primarily as processes and
including theories as well as the subjects of those theories.  This logic is
grounded in what I see as the fundamental, oppositional dualities in na

[Fis] Test - Post

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Re: [Fis] Test by Brenner Re: fis-spam-problem

[Jim Cogswell]

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On Jun 11, 2008, at 3:34 AM, Joseph Brenner wrote:


Testing also.

- Original Message -
From: "Pedro Clemente Marijuan Fernandez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "pilar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:53 PM
Subject: fis-spam-problem



Good News:

finally the Computing Center here has established a solution for the
false spam cases of our list. In principle, the four addresses of the
heading (the last "spam" cases) have been granted unconditional  
access
to the fis list. Could you make a try please? So we will see  
whether the

solution effectively works.

regards

Pedro


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[Fis] FIS test

[Jerry LR Chandler]

I have received several responses from the test.

Unfortunately, I failed to receive the request to test!

Jerry
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[Fis] Test

[Robin Faichney]

I didn't get Pedro's request, for some reason, though I'm not aware
of having missed any previous messages.

-- 
Robin Faichney



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[Fis] Test by Brenner Re: fis-spam-problem

[Joseph Brenner]

Testing also.

- Original Message -
From: "Pedro Clemente Marijuan Fernandez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "pilar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:53 PM
Subject: fis-spam-problem


> Good News:
>
> finally the Computing Center here has established a solution for the
> false spam cases of our list. In principle, the four addresses of the
> heading (the last "spam" cases) have been granted unconditional access
> to the fis list. Could you make a try please? So we will see whether the
> solution effectively works.
>
> regards
>
> Pedro

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[Fis] test

[James N Rose]

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