Re: [Fis] Fis Digest, Vol 10, Issue 11
Pedro, this image is strongly related to my research. My graduation and master degree was in Physics. But now I am in IS world through PhD program of IBICT/UFRJ in Brazil. As you, Jorge and Raquel said (Navarro, Moral, Marijuan, 2013), IS is about to become one of four great scientific domains. Don't you think that one of the greatest reasons of it is the (big) interdisciplinar nature of IS? (Saracevic, 1995). Interdisciplinarity is in IS's DNA :-) I am investigating some aspects of interdisciplinarity between IS and Natural Sciences (Physics, Chemistry and Biology) (inspired by Capurros's work http://www.capurro.de/infoconcept.html). Some questions of this research are: 1) why (or how) a natural scientist enters in IS world? What are their motivations?; 2) how strong this interdisciplinarity is? (inspired by Loet's works on the theme - for example, Leydesdorff, Rafols (2011)); 4) How the physical concepts of information are present in IS articles. I believe that inside FIS I will find many answers to my questions. By observation of Scientific Communication and Bibliometrics and of course, if I have the opportunity, by interviewing the members of FIS :-) I can say that in only few weeks of FIS I already have learned a lot :-) Best, Moises. Navarro, J.; Moral, R; Marijuan, P; Uprising of the Informational: Towards a New Way of Thinking In Information Science. Proceedings of the 1st International Conference on Philosophy of Information, Xi'an (2013) Saracevic, Tefko. Interdisciplinary nature of information science. Ciência da informação 24.1 (1995): 36-41. Leydesdorff, Loet, and Ismael Rafols. Indicators of the interdisciplinarity of journals: Diversity, centrality, and citations. Journal of Informetrics 5.1 (2011): 87-100. 2015-01-19 10:19 GMT-02:00 Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es: Thanks Moises, here it is --in case the list server suppresses the image again, the dropbox link below contains the image too (at the end of the philoinfo paper, belonging to the Proceedings of the Xian Conference, 2013). best ---Pedro https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wslnk41c3lquc55/AADpm_U6xuhm6jHK0esyN-29a?dl=0 *Figure 1. The Four Great Domains of Science*. The graphic shows the network of contemporary disciplines in the background (following Bollen *et al*., 2009); while the superimposed “four-leaf clover” represents the four great scientific domains: physical, biological, social, and informational. Moisés André Nisenbaum wrote: Hi, Pedro. I didnt receive th image (Figure 1. The Four Great Domains of Science) Would you please send it again? Thank you. Moises -- - Pedro C. Marijuán Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA) Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta X 50009 Zaragoza, Spain Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 ( 6818)pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.eshttp://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/ - -- Moisés André Nisenbaum Doutorando IBICT/UFRJ. Professor. Msc. Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ Campus Maracanã moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
Re: [Fis] Fis Digest, Vol 10, Issue 11
Hi Pedro, Thanks for sharing this beautiful and instructive image. I wonder if it should actually be more accurate as a higher dimensional graph or if rather than ambiguous overlap if there is some degree of containment in these relationships. — Terry On 1/19/15, Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es wrote: Thanks Moises, here it is --in case the list server suppresses the image again, the dropbox link below contains the image too (at the end of the philoinfo paper, belonging to the Proceedings of the Xian Conference, 2013). best ---Pedro https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wslnk41c3lquc55/AADpm_U6xuhm6jHK0esyN-29a?dl=0 ** *Figure 1. The Four Great Domains of Science*. The graphic shows the network of contemporary disciplines in the background (following Bollen /et al/., 2009); while the superimposed “four-leaf clover” represents the four great scientific domains: physical, biological, social, and informational. Moisés André Nisenbaum wrote: Hi, Pedro. I didnt receive th image (Figure 1. The Four Great Domains of Science) Would you please send it again? Thank you. Moises -- - Pedro C. Marijuán Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA) Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta X 50009 Zaragoza, Spain Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 ( 6818) pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/ - -- Professor Terrence W. Deacon University of California, Berkeley ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
Re: [Fis] Fis Digest, Vol 10, Issue 11
... in 3-space perhaps a tetrahedron instead of a 4-leaf clover, such that each of the 4 academic domains were more equidistant from one another. On 1/19/15, Terrence W. DEACON dea...@berkeley.edu wrote: Hi Pedro, Thanks for sharing this beautiful and instructive image. I wonder if it should actually be more accurate as a higher dimensional graph or if rather than ambiguous overlap if there is some degree of containment in these relationships. — Terry On 1/19/15, Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es wrote: Thanks Moises, here it is --in case the list server suppresses the image again, the dropbox link below contains the image too (at the end of the philoinfo paper, belonging to the Proceedings of the Xian Conference, 2013). best ---Pedro https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wslnk41c3lquc55/AADpm_U6xuhm6jHK0esyN-29a?dl=0 ** *Figure 1. The Four Great Domains of Science*. The graphic shows the network of contemporary disciplines in the background (following Bollen /et al/., 2009); while the superimposed “four-leaf clover” represents the four great scientific domains: physical, biological, social, and informational. Moisés André Nisenbaum wrote: Hi, Pedro. I didnt receive th image (Figure 1. The Four Great Domains of Science) Would you please send it again? Thank you. Moises -- - Pedro C. Marijuán Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA) Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta X 50009 Zaragoza, Spain Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 ( 6818) pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/ - -- Professor Terrence W. Deacon University of California, Berkeley -- Professor Terrence W. Deacon University of California, Berkeley ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
Re: [Fis] Fis Digest, Vol 10, Issue 11
It would be satisfying perhaps to think of our collective work as at the forefront of the development of what will become A Grand Domain of Science, but I would say the better trend in current science is toward careful integration between domains rather than toward established grand divisions, which seems a more a classical approach. Doesn't information play out in the biological and the social domains? Isn't our most ambitious goal here to explain scientifically the relationship between information and the physical domain? Whether modest or foolhardy as Terry suggests or of some other stature, Terry's approach addresses the source of the great schism in all academic and intellectual circles: Physical scientists are appropriately barred from explaining behavior in terms of the value of information for some end-directed self about, or representative of anything. But biological and social scientists can't help but explain behavior in those terms. Focusing, precisely on possible transitions from the physical domain to the living and social domains is exactly what a scientific approach demands. Lacking an explanation for the transition from mechanism to end-directed behavior (which is inescapably teleological down to its roots in function or adaptation--behaviors of value to a self about its environment), science is stuck, siloed into isolated domains without a rationale. To my mind, this makes the implications of meticulous work at the very border between mechanism and end-directed behavior anything but modest in its possible implications. In this I agree with Pedro. With what we now know about self-organization-- how it is footing on the physical side for a bridge from mechanism to end-directed behavior but does not itself provide the bridge, we are perfectly poised to build the bridge itself, through an integrated science that explains the ontology of epistemology, providing solid scientific ground over the absolutely huge gaping hole in the middle of the broadest reaches of scientific and philosophical endeavor. Whether Terry's work or someone else's work bridges that gap, I predict that, at long last, the gap can and will be finally filled, probably within the next decade. As ambitious researchers this would be a lousy time for any of us, Terry included, to stick to our guns in the face of substantial critique revealing how a theory we embrace merely provides a new, more clever way way to hide or smear over the gap pretending it isn't there, which is why I would love to see this discussion refocus on the article's detailed content. Though the implications of this research at the borderline may be grand, the research, in the doing, is as Terry implies as modest any careful scientific work. Jeremy Sherman On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 5:06 AM, Moisés André Nisenbaum moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br wrote: Hi, Pedro. I didnt receive th image (Figure 1. The Four Great Domains of Science) Would you please send it again? Thank you. Moises 2015-01-17 9:00 GMT-02:00 fis-requ...@listas.unizar.es: Send Fis mailing list submissions to fis@listas.unizar.es To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fis-requ...@listas.unizar.es You can reach the person managing the list at fis-ow...@listas.unizar.es When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Fis digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Beginnings and ends---Steps to a theory of reference significance (Pedro C. Marijuan) -- Mensagem encaminhada -- From: Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es To: 'fis' fis@listas.unizar.es Cc: Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 12:43:40 +0100 Subject: Re: [Fis] Beginnings and ends---Steps to a theory of reference significance Dear Terry and FIS colleagues---and pirates, Just a brief reflection on the below. (From Terry's last message)... So my goal in this case is quite modest, and yet perhaps also a bit foolhardy. I want to suggest a simplest possible model system to use as the basis for formalizing the link between physical processes and semiotic processes. Perhaps someday after considerably elaborating this analysis it could contribute to issues of the psychology of human interactions. I hope to recruit some interest into pursuing this goal. In my view, any research endeavor is also accompanied by some ultimate goals or ends that go beyond the quite explicit disciplinary ones. In this case, say, about the destiny of the constructs that would surround the information concept (or the possibility of framing an informational perspective, or a renewed information science, or whatever), wouldn't it be interesting discussing in extenso what could that ultimate vision? I mean, most of us may agree in quite many points related to the microphysical ( thermodynamic)
Re: [Fis] Fis Digest, Vol 10, Issue 11
Hi, Pedro. I didnt receive th image (Figure 1. The Four Great Domains of Science) Would you please send it again? Thank you. Moises 2015-01-17 9:00 GMT-02:00 fis-requ...@listas.unizar.es: Send Fis mailing list submissions to fis@listas.unizar.es To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fis-requ...@listas.unizar.es You can reach the person managing the list at fis-ow...@listas.unizar.es When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Fis digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Beginnings and ends---Steps to a theory of reference significance (Pedro C. Marijuan) -- Mensagem encaminhada -- From: Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es To: 'fis' fis@listas.unizar.es Cc: Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 12:43:40 +0100 Subject: Re: [Fis] Beginnings and ends---Steps to a theory of reference significance Dear Terry and FIS colleagues---and pirates, Just a brief reflection on the below. (From Terry's last message)... So my goal in this case is quite modest, and yet perhaps also a bit foolhardy. I want to suggest a simplest possible model system to use as the basis for formalizing the link between physical processes and semiotic processes. Perhaps someday after considerably elaborating this analysis it could contribute to issues of the psychology of human interactions. I hope to recruit some interest into pursuing this goal. In my view, any research endeavor is also accompanied by some ultimate goals or ends that go beyond the quite explicit disciplinary ones. In this case, say, about the destiny of the constructs that would surround the information concept (or the possibility of framing an informational perspective, or a renewed information science, or whatever), wouldn't it be interesting discussing in extenso what could that ultimate vision? I mean, most of us may agree in quite many points related to the microphysical ( thermodynamic) underpinning of information, as it transpires in the exchanges we are having--but where do we want to arrive finally with the construction activity? I tend to disagree with localist aims, even though at the time being they may look more prudent and parsimonious. Putting it in brief, too briefly!, and borrowing from Rosenbloom (P.S. 2013. On Computing: The Fourth Great Scientific Domain) the idea is that information science, properly developed and linked with computer science and mathematics, should constitute one of the Great Domains of contemporary science. The informational would go together with the physical, the biological, and the social: constituting the four great domains of science. See Figure below. Rather than attempting the construction of another average or standard discipline, information science is about the making out of one of the “great scientific domains” of contemporary knowledge. More cogent arguments could be elaborated on how to cover sceintifically the whole information world (human societies, behaving individuals, brain organization, cellular processes, biomolecules) and the problem of interlocking--crisscrossing a myriad of information flows at all levels. But the point is, ends, although unassailable, may be as much important as beginnings. Thanks in advance for the patience! ---Pedro *Figure 1. The Four Great Domains of Science*. The graphic shows the network of contemporary disciplines in the background; while the superimposed “four-leaf clover” represents the four great scientific domains. -- - Pedro C. Marijuán Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA) Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta X 50009 Zaragoza, Spain Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 ( 6818)pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.eshttp://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/ - ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis -- Moisés André Nisenbaum Doutorando IBICT/UFRJ. Professor. Msc. Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ Campus Maracanã moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis