Re: [Fis] "no new and doubtful physical concepts need to be introduced"

2016-07-18 Thread Steven Ericsson-Zenith
This is a response to both Stan and John, but especially Stan since John wanders to the non-physical. Shannon’s perspective is not one of “choice,” this suggests some proactive and there is no physical proactive in Shannon. Mathematical randomness is not logical choice. There is no force tendi

Re: [Fis] "no new and doubtful physical concepts need to be introduced"

2016-07-18 Thread john . holgate
Steven, Joe I always understood that the action of information is the introduction of 'new and doubtful concepts' (Bateson's 'news of a difference that makes a difference') and is in fact predicated on doubt, probability, uncertainty. John H Original Message - Dear List, A f

[Fis] "no new and doubtful physical concepts need to be introduced"

2016-07-17 Thread Steven Ericsson-Zenith
Dear List, A few days ago Joseph Brenner wrote the following : > … I conclude that no new and doubtful physical concepts need to be introduced > to address the essential aspects of life, mind, and information. That > information has dual aspects has been more or less explicit in everything I >