[Fis] [Fwd: Re: FW: Meaning Information Theory] ---From Gavin

2011-10-24 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan 

Message from Gavin Ritz




On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Gavin Ritz garr...@xtra.co.nz 
mailto:garr...@xtra.co.nz wrote:




   Stan, John list members

   I have had a number of off list email dialogue with list members,

   from this
   list and others.

   There seems to be a group of listers that have a Theory of Meaningful

   Information (It’s not Shannon’s mathematical Information theory),
   it’s all
   about meaning and electrical communication (I guess in this case
   neurological).

   The common links seem to be Dawkins, Dennett, Searle and a few others.

   Does anyone have any clear propositions, with their logical arguments,

   evidence. tests, corroboration, modeling, conceptual mathematics,
   proofs,
   for this Meaning Theory of Information. It also seems to include memes.

   I am unable to find any clear propositions with their proofs, it all

   seems
   like smoke and mirrors too me. At one point it becomes sort of Shannon’s
   mathematical theory then it spoofs into something like Philosophy
   meaning
   arguments (Like Ogden Richards), then it spoofs into living matter
   and DNA,
   then reappears as cultural units, then energy/matter representations.

   Is The Meaning Information Theory a shape shifter. Is it the one

   size fits
   all, theory.

   What exactly is this Theory, where did it come from, what is it,

   what is its
   proposition, and if there is one how can it be tested, corroborated,
   where
   and how can we gather the evidence.


   Regards

   Gavin


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Re: [Fis] [Fwd: Re: FW: Meaning Information Theory] ---From Gavin

2011-10-24 Thread Robin Faichney 
Title: Re: [Fis] [Fwd: Re: FW: Meaning Information Theory] ---From Gavin


Although I accept neither the title ("Meaning Information Theory") nor
Gavin's description of the content, he tells me that my ideas, among
others, are what he's referring to below, so in case anyone's
interested, my website address ishttp://www.robinfaichney.org. (The
main relevant aspects have been described here before, as well as at
DTMD2011, but I'd welcome further discussion if anyone is so inclined.)

Robin

Monday, October 24, 2011, 5:22:08 PM, Pedro wrote:





Message from Gavin Ritz




On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Gavin Ritz garr...@xtra.co.nz wrote:


Stan, John list members

I have had a number of off list email dialogue with list members, from this
list and others.

There seems to be a group of listers that have a Theory of Meaningful
Information (It’s not Shannon’s mathematical Information theory), it’s all
about meaning and electrical communication (I guess in this case
neurological).

The common links seem to be Dawkins, Dennett, Searle and a few others.

Does anyone have any clear propositions, with their logical arguments,
evidence. tests, corroboration, modeling, conceptual mathematics, proofs,
for this Meaning Theory of Information. It also seems to include memes.

I am unable to find any clear propositions with their proofs, it all seems
like smoke and mirrors too me. At one point it becomes sort of Shannon’s
mathematical theory then it spoofs into something like Philosophy meaning
arguments (Like Ogden Richards), then it spoofs into living matter and DNA,
then reappears as cultural units, then energy/matter representations.

Is The Meaning Information Theory a shape shifter. Is it the one size fits
all, theory.

What exactly is this Theory, where did it come from, what is it, what is its
proposition, and if there is one how can it be tested, corroborated, where
and how can we gather the evidence.


Regards
Gavin

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http://www.robinfaichney.org/

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