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*From:* Joseph Brenner <mailto:joe.bren...@bluewin.ch>
*To:* John Collier <mailto:colli...@ukzn.ac.za> ; fis <mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es>
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 27, 2015 4:52 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Fis] Short article by Chaitin on information incompleteness

Dear John,

I hope the metamorphosis went smoothly.

Thanks for posting the Chaitin link. It is indeed a clear statement, or group of statements, and many of them confirm the respect due to to Chaitin as a mathematician.

However, my respect does not extend to the following, at the end of the article:

"To me as a pure mathematician, metabiology is justified if it enables us to prove beautiful theorems. More generally, software models and current work on quantum information and randomness show the importance of an idealistic as opposed to a materialist conception of nature. Information and computation are better than matter and energy. I expect that this is just the beginning and that, if we are fortunate, we will continue to see idealism supersede materialism, particularly in the much-to-be-desired basic theoretical understanding of consciousness and mind."

This kind of dichotomous dogma may sit well with the 'sponsors', but it does not bode well for progress in information science or philosophy. Is there anyone who feels it does?
Best wishes,

Joseph

   ----- Original Message -----
   *From:* John Collier <mailto:colli...@ukzn.ac.za>
   *To:* fis <mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es>
   *Sent:* Tuesday, October 27, 2015 12:21 PM
   *Subject:* [Fis] Short article by Chaitin on ionformation incompleteness

   A particularly clear statement of basic results of incompleteness,
   randomness, creativity, and a proposal for application to metabiology.

   http://inference-review.com/article/an-algorithmic-god

   John Collier

   Professor Emeritus, UKZN

   http://web.ncf.ca/collier

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