Dear Pedro and Colleagues,
Pedro's note has brought out more clearly to me the concept of an
'Itinerary' as a path between Momenta. I for one would be willing to accept
the discipline that comments should address relations and movement between
Momenta in an AGREED UPON SEQUENCE. The one in Pedro's note is certainly a
valid option, and perhaps we should try to list just one or two others to
choose from. I think the term Pedro uses of 'itinerary elements' is
consistent with this.
This approach, if implemented, would have the advantage that I have often
urged: each of us would have to study something he or she has not
studied previously, or not in this context. There would be some unity in
this resulting diversity, at least in the order of the discussion.
The overlaps and interactions between Momenta other than the next one in
line should not be neglected, but they can remain in the background.
Comments welcome.
Best wishes,
Joseph
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pedro C. Marijuan" <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es>
To: <fis@listas.unizar.es>
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Fis] Five Momenta. Five Itineraries
Dear FIS colleagues,
Thanks to all for the valuable insights. Responding briefly:
To Joseph: perhaps your points, although interesting, are not truly an
itinerary. For instance, WuKun and Lupasco belong to the First Momentum
(philos.). I agree that they can be adequate first steps (but there might
be some others, such as Merleau Ponty, Ortega y Gasset, etc.). Once some
temporary philo basis is attained, one has to visit --I think--the
neurodynamic counterpart of those tenets (Momentum 3, neuro). From there,
a complex evo-devo panorama opens (visiting Momentum 2). Then it would be
high time to return to M1, to consolidate the basis within an adequate
heuristic "neuro-biologic-ethologic.cognitive-philosophic" approach to
human prosocial capabilities, language included. Time for visiting M5
(infoeconomics of social complexity, development of human history). From
there, to M6 (contemporary info revolution, problems of our time). Back
to M1, proposing an overall new way of thinking, plus quite many further
movements of refinement and deeper analysis...
To Stan: if hierarchy helps to move into the previous multidisciplinary
entanglement fine, otherwise it is a useless item to be kept into the
lean mental "backpack" needed for this itinerary...
To Loet and Marcus: let us agree that disciplines are based on
"communities of inquiry" that follow strict laws of "intellectual
economy". Our limited capabilities force us to establish disciplinary
specialization, and that's good, but a healthy knowledge system would
also establish quite many "vertical" multidisciplines integrating the
"horizontal" disciplines that apply simultaneously into concrete subjects
(as happens in eg, medicine, engineering, anthrolpology, etc.).
To Steven and Soeren, Francesco, and all: Should'nt we distinguish the
above itinerary elements (actually smallish parts from a number of
disciples and subdisciplines) from the "instrumental" fields of knowledge
that can be used "on tap" but quite often are used "on top"? I mean,
classical and new Info theories, von Neumann theories (automata,
machines, games), Turing and computational approaches, symmetry studies,
entropy studies, quantum information, physical information, mathematical
optimization procedures, etc. should not occupy the leading seat in this
trip. To insist, they are instrumental just to help, strictly kept under
command, along the different elaboration stages of the itinerary.
In the extent to which a similar scheme would be valid intelectually,
would it be feasible too? "If we were rich" a system of scientific
committees could be created, seriously working during several years, at
the style of the serious international cooperative work that have lead to
the International System of Measurement Standards. So important was and
has been the standardization of measurements, and we take it for granted.
Curiously, it has an essential informational content regarding the
"social brain"... Anyhow, only an important university could take charge
of this genuine FIS itinerary. Alternatively, "if we were Linus", a
Infopedia could organize the whole voluntary work... but how could we
find our Linus?
Best wishes to all,
--Pedro
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