Re: [Fis] Fw: Krassimir's Information Quadruple and GIT. Quintuples?

2014-09-05 Thread John Collier
I stand corrected. They produce more work for the same input. I think my point stands, Bob. John At 12:21 AM 2014-09-05, Guy A Hoelzer wrote: John, I think you are misreading Stan’s comments a little.  [Stan:  please correct me if I am wrong about that.]  I think it would be fair to say that old

Re: [Fis] Fw: Krassimir's Information Quadruple and GIT. Quintuples?

2014-09-04 Thread Guy A Hoelzer
John, I think you are misreading Stan’s comments a little. [Stan: please correct me if I am wrong about that.] I think it would be fair to say that older car engines were less well fit "between the energy gradient and the system attempting to utilize it”. Another way of saying this is that

Re: [Fis] Fw: Krassimir's Information Quadruple and GIT. Quintuples?

2014-09-04 Thread John Collier
S: In decline in the actual material world that we inhabit. That is, the local world -- the world of input and dissipation. I think the information problem may be advanced if we try to explain why the energy efficiency of any work is so poor, and gets worse the harder we work. This is the key

Re: [Fis] Fw: Krassimir's Information Quadruple and GIT. Quintuples?

2014-09-04 Thread Stanley N Salthe
John wrote: Catching up after a myriad of distracting problems. At 03:51 PM 2014-08-25, Stanley N Salthe wrote: Bob wrote: Recall that some thermodynamic variables, especially work functions like Helmholz & Gibbs free energies and exergy all are tightly related to information measures. In

Re: [Fis] Fw: Krassimir's Information Quadruple and GIT. Quintuples?

2014-09-04 Thread John Collier
Catching up after a myriad of distracting problems. At 03:51 PM 2014-08-25, Stanley N Salthe wrote: Bob wrote: Recall that some thermodynamic variables, especially work functions like Helmholz & Gibbs free energies and exergy all are tightly related to information measures. In statistical mechan

Re: [Fis] Fw: Krassimir's Information Quadruple and GIT. Quintuples?

2014-08-31 Thread Francesco Rizzo
Cari Tutti e Caro Krassimir, anche per la qualità del Tuo stile, mi rendo conto delle difficoltà che Vi provoco. Ma non è certo per mancanza di rispetto che uso la lingua italiana. Anche se avessi una maggiore e migliore conoscenza dell'inglese, non riuscirei mai a comunicarvi tutto ciò che il mio

Re: [Fis] Fw: Krassimir's Information Quadruple and GIT. Quintuples?

2014-08-25 Thread Stanley N Salthe
Bob wrote: Recall that some thermodynamic variables, especially work functions like Helmholz & Gibbs free energies and exergy all are tightly related to information measures. In statistical mechanical analogs, for example, the exergy becomes RT times the mutual information among the molecules S:

Re: [Fis] Fw: Krassimir's Information Quadruple and GIT. Quintuples?

2014-08-25 Thread John Collier
Nice post, Bob. I agree pretty much. Brooks and Wiley got slammed by Morowitz for using the *Real* energy in their book, which being about biology is the only sensible notion of energy. There is still a need for a clear dimensional analysis of the relation(s) between information and energy.

Re: [Fis] Fw: Krassimir's Information Quadruple and GIT. Quintuples?

2014-08-21 Thread Francesco Rizzo
Cari colleghi, il 4 agosto ho scritto alcune cose che stranamente non sono state considerate né positivamente né negativamente. Mentre sul concetto processo di tras-in-form-azione o trans-in-form-azione sì è discusso abbastanza. Forse troppo. Tra le cose già scritte il 4 agosto vi è il rapporto-equ

[Fis] Fw: Krassimir's Information Quadruple and GIT. Quintuples?

2014-08-21 Thread Joseph Brenner
Dear Mark and All, I return belatedly to this short but key note of Mark's in which he repeats his view, with which I agree, that Energy is a kind of information and information is a kind of energy. My suggestion is that it may be useful to expand this statement by looking at both Informatio