[Fis] Fwd: Discussion

[Pedro C. Marijuan]

From Louis H Kauffman 
DNA Topology Kauffman and Lambropoulou] 

It is in this domain, that I became interested in looking at the 
self-reproduction of DNA as an instance of an abstract self-replication 
schema. There is much more to be done here in linking this abstraction back
to the topology and to the actualities of the biology. The investigation 
led to a number of analogies with structure of quantum mechanics and 
this will in turn related to quantum topology. This is in development.


2. Further topological/geometric work is very possible. The sort of 
thing seen in Pivar could be examined for mathematical problems to be 
articulated. We are aware that biological forms must arise via 
self-assembly  and this is in itself a possibly new field of geometry! 
The simplest example of self-assembly as a model is the model of 
autopoesis of Maturana, Uribe and Varela from long ago. Their model 
shows how a two dimensional cell boundary can arise naturally from an 
abstract ‘chemical soup’.


3. While I do not agree with Max Tegmark that Mathematics is identical 
to Reality, I do believe that the key to actuality is in the essence of 
relationships. The essence of relationships is often accompanied by a 
mathematical essence or simple fundamental pattern. This is so striking 
in the case of DNA reproduction (e.g.) that I cannot help but feel that 
some real progress can occur in looking at that whole story from the 
abstract and recursive self-replication to how it is instantiated in the 
biology. The question in general is: What can we see about the way 
mathematical models are instantiated in actuality?!


I will stop here in the interest of brevity.

Best,

Lou
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[Fis] [Fwd: Discussion Colophon] From J.Brenner

[Pedro C. Marijuan]

(For unknown reasons this message didn't went through last Tuesday---P.)

 Mensaje original 
Asunto: The Fluctuon Model; Colophon
Fecha:  Tue, 02 Nov 2010 12:44:48 +0100
De: Joseph Brenner joe.bren...@bluewin.ch
Responder a:Joseph Brenner joe.bren...@bluewin.ch
Para: 	Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es, fis 
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Dear All,

Pedro has asked me to renew with an earlier FIS Group practice and write 
a colophon for our discussion of the fluctuon model of Michael Conrad. 
Actually, not much has happened with regard to evidence for or against. 
There is a lot of information in the latest StanLoet exchange, 
however, that has made the exercise worthwhile. There has also been 
a discussion of fluctuations, but essentially of fluctuations in /our/ 
thermodynamic world. Most interesting, but of no direct help with the 
original task.


I therefore now exercise my editorial authority by offering, by way of 
colophon, and with his agreement, the notes of a discussion I had with 
Pedro in Beijing. They were not and are not proposed as science, 
information science or other; but I like to think they are more than 
just opinion. For people, and I assume that is some of us, who have ever 
pondered such deep issues, these notes may suggest some ideas and 
comments. For others, for whom talk of Being and Nothingness or 
Non-Being, /pace/ Sartre, is pure nonsense, pure non-information, I have 
some sympathy. The only point I would take issue with is the pure . . .  

1. We are aware of our atoms and molecules and those of others through 
our adjacencies to them. They have Being for us; they are Being. The 
corresponding changes in their states constitute information at several 
levels.


2. Our atoms and molecules are composed of strings of which we are 
/not/ aware. They have no Being for us, they are Non-Being. Whether 
any fluctuations or changes in strings can constitute information is not 
clear.


3. Non-Being has been described both scientifically and traditionally, 
/e.g./ the Mind of God, the quantum vacuum, holomovement.


4. Spontaneity and indeterminism (randomness) are possible, but only in 
Non-Being. These are reflected in Being only in radioactive decay and 
in catastrophic cosmological phenomena (black holes).  The shifts of 
perspective in this note are non-random.


5. We in Being are aware of the existence of Non-Being, therefore, as 
something internal and external to us at the same time. The LIR 
Principle of Dynamic Opposition (PDO) describes this epistemological and 
ontological state-of-affairs as real and logical.


6. Non-Being is not and does not have to be aware of itself nor of us 
here in Being. We take care of that little function for it.


7. The influence of Non-Being and its changes, /e.g./, in local 
information content. which are not perceived by nor interact with us in 
the usual manner, may be due to our awareness of Non-Being, which is a 
/kind/ of information about it, causally effective. Conrad claims that 
interactions with Non-Being (the unmanifest world) also exist and can 
influence biological states. These two perspectives may or may not converge.


8. In either case, the information content of vacuum fluctuations and 
the informational content of our awareness/understanding of it and 
them are, by the PDO, and at the current state of knowledge, the same 
and not the same.


9. The existence of a direct energetic (thermodynamic) relationship or 
information transfer between Being and Non-Being, as in the fluctuon 
model, below the quantum level, remains an open question, but such a 
relationship may not be necessary as a basis for information theory.


10. An alternate basis is available in the self-duality and dualities of 
energy, at and above the quantum level, in Being alone. The 
information in point 7. can be just a projection.


Best wishes,

Joseph

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