[Fis] Neuroscience of Art:Insights Leads

2008-09-29 Thread Sonu Bhaskar
Dear *FIS Colleagues, *

**Regarding the sprouting interest among our FIS colleagues germane to
the *''Neuroscience
of Art''*, let me make a humble attempt to understand the replies of our
colleagues and put forth some of my own ideas.

*Reply to Joseph Brenner *

Prof. E. O. Wilson's sociobiological theory of how humans and other animals
social behaviour is governed by epigenetic rules worked out by the laws of
evolution does have some domains of intersection with Prof. V. S.
Ramachandran proposal of ten principles of art. His argument about how our
behaviour is the product of heredity( which he describes as the genetic
leash.)  and environmental stimuli and past experiences  especially his
strong proposal about the *''Theory of Consilience''* gives some insights
about how cross cultural variables play a pivotal role in shaping and
defining our perception about art, music etc. Prof. Ramachandran makes a
valiant attempt to describe the same with an example of the differences in
opinion penchant to the appreciation of art which he calls art visual
foreplay before the climax of recognition''. An ancient sculpture of South
Indian portraying Goddess Parvati drew different reviews from Indian and
contemporary western peers. Where some considers it as an embodiment of
feminine grace and dignity, some others have been profoundly appalled and
have strongly criticised its artistic credibility claiming that these
sculptures and painting lack perspectives. So, the cross cultural variables
which Rama calls ''Peak Shift'' makes a lot of sense and goes in agreement
to some of the propositions made by Wilson.

I would be glad to have more exchanges and learn more about your (Joseph's)
logic of dynamic opposition and its application to art. Interestingly, I
am very curious to know more about how you envisage applying
non-reductionist approach to explain neural processes underlying art?

*Reply to John Collier and Pedro*

Indeed, many of Rama's proposals are not only stimulating but also call for
detailed investigation and validation with experimental models. I am very
overwhelmed with the simplicity of experimental models he describes and
employs' in support of his theory. As you have long term experience with
teaching students, how far do you think shall we be able to validate some of
his hypothesis?

I was wondering if some of our colleagues have read a very interesting
article by *Ramon Y Cajal* (Ramón y Cajal, S. (1905/1954). Psicología del
Quijote y el Quijotismo. In La psicología de los artistas (pp.50-71). Madrid:
Espasa-Calpe.)  where he has made a valiant attempt to understand the
psychology of *Don Quixote* and has encouraged to explore its applications
to other realms of life such as art (which he calls ''*Quixotism*'').
Irrespective of his strong experimental neuroanatomy background, he accepts
that some of the natural phenomenon or those inspired from them (like the
art etc.) cannot be always realised with clinical analysis and there are
many other determinants which needs to be investigated. In this context,
Pedro's reference to optimality* *(which he has published with K.
Collins '*'Theory
of Duality'*') also presents insights about how social phenomenon can be
realised in terms of minimization of excitation and inhibition ratio.
Nevertheless, many of these theories (including those which advocate for
optimization), if not all, need strong experimental models before they are
most likely to be accepted by the scientific fraternity…

Feedback and suggestions are most welcome.

Kind Regards

Sonu

PS: I will be replying to some of the other interesting posts of John
onions, Jerry Chandlier  Beth Cardier in my next mail.
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Sonu Bhaskar
Neurobiology Group
Zaragoza University Hospital

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Re: [Fis] Neuroscience of Art:Insights Leads

2008-09-29 Thread Stanley Salthe

Folks

As an artist (all media) my reaction to the below 
is quizzical.  Neuroscience, information science, 
esthetics, etc. are logical products in the realm 
of 'knowing that', which I call Nature, or 
Reality, while the unfolding of an artistic work 
takes place in the realm of 'knowing how', which 
I call The World, or Actuality.  The one is a 
view from the outside, the other a view from the 
inside, reflecting the 'externalist / 
internalist' duality.  I think it could be urged 
that the current 'social intent' of external 
logical understanding is to serve technology (as 
in computation).  In this it makes things 
replicable.  An artist makes things unique, as is 
any actual occasion, even though it may be 
working within a strong tradition (e.g., medieval 
Islamic tilework), or with the intent of making 
copies (etchings, photographs).  Art might be 
said to be the intent to focus the unique moment 
in the service of beauty, or expression, or 
shock, or (considering the modern arts) anything 
whatever.


STAN



Dear Sonu, Dear FIS Colleagues,

I should first say that I claim no academic 
authority for my comments. As some of you know, 
I am self-taught. With this caveat, please let 
me proceed.


In 1979, the Franco-Romanian thinker 
Stéphane Lupasco published a book entitled The 
Psychic Universe in which he applied his logical 
system to cognitive processes. Chapter 1 is 
called Neuropsychic Dialectics. The logical 
alternance of actualization and potentialization 
of contradictory elements becomes, here, the 
resting potential (dynamic electrostatic 
equilibrium) of the nerve cell, its 
depolarization and repolarization. 
Neurobiological processes thus also reflect the 
underlying fundamental duality inherent in 
energy. In subsequent Chapters he looks at the 
dialectics of afferent and efferent systems and 
their interactions as the eventual basis first 
for consciousness, and from there for ceativity 
and art.


In 1947, Lupasco applied his logical system 
to an explanation of ethics and art in his Logic 
and Contradiction. I have summarized his view on 
art as follows:




In his detailed application of the logic of the 
included middle to art, Lupasco writes that the 
logic of esthetics must evolve, be directed 
inversely to the logic of ethics, inversely to 
any rational or irrational process, that is, 
inversely to processes that lead toward the 
absolute identity or diversity of 
non-contradiction. The logic of esthetics must 
proceed from the non-contradictory toward the 
contradictory; it aims at contradiction. The 
artist generates a becoming from the opposition 
of the consciousnesses of identity and diversity 
- an included middle we call a work of art. 
Works of art are generally considered fictions, 
and thus false, because contradictory. As one 
can understand from Lupasco's logic, art does 
not seek the true nor the real, either 
rational or irrational, but the truly false, 
redefined as the contradiction of both 
affirmation and negation and of the pure 
identity and diversity which govern them.


Thus art is neither real nor unreal. Reality is 
the aspect of antagonistic logical order 
potentialized and objectified, and unreality is 
the same actualized and subjectified. This is 
why, in the esthetic experience, the subject and 
object tend to overlap, or to disappear as such. 
A work of art will be most esthetic when most 
semi-subjective and semi-objective at the same 
time, least real and unreal or better most 
semi-real and semi-unreal at once. It is 
interesting to compare these ideas with the 
well-known statement by Picasso that art is a 
lie, but in the service of truth.




My tentative reply is therefore the following: 
in the human brain, the same dualities are 
reflected in two ways: in the underlying neural 
processing (s) at various levels starting from 
initial stimuli to their complex counterparts in 
the creative/anti-creative conflicts and 
tensions in the artist, resulting in the work of 
art as an emergent process, also instantiating 
the dualities.




So as you see, I have gone here from 
neuroscience to art: the logic of dynamic 
opposition is the bridge. The above ideas have 
not been published in my book Logic in Reality, 
which describes the basic theory and its 
application to physics and biology, but not to 
cognitive science. I thus look forward to 
comments from everyone, + and -. Who knows where 
they might wind up?!




Best regards to all.



Joseph


  


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Subject: [Fis] Neuroscience of Art:Insights  Leads

Dear FIS Colleagues,

Regarding the sprouting interest among our FIS 
colleagues germane to the ''Neuroscience of 
Art'', let me make a humble attempt to 
understand the replies of our