Re: [Fis] "The Travellers"

2014-10-30 Thread Joseph Brenner
y, and secondarily that of signs which can be captured in propositions. Thanks to all, Joseph - Original Message - From: "Pedro C. Marijuan" To: Cc: "Søren Brier" Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [Fis] "The Travellers" Dea

Re: [Fis] "The Travellers"

2014-10-30 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
those compared to the physical level? Best Søren -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Fis [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] På vegne af Pedro C. Marijuan Sendt: 29. oktober 2014 14:46 Til: fis@listas.unizar.es Emne: Re: [Fis] "The Travelle

Re: [Fis] "The Travellers"

2014-10-30 Thread John Collier
nd each other “travelling in an unexplored reality”. Such knowledge maps usually are called “General Theories”.   Friendly regards Krassimir         -Original Message- From: Pedro C. Marijuan Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 3:45 PM To: fis@listas.unizar.es Subject: Re: [Fis] "The T

Re: [Fis] "The Travellers"

2014-10-29 Thread Krassimir Markov
velling in an unexplored reality”. Such knowledge maps usually are called “General Theories”. Friendly regards Krassimir -Original Message- From: Pedro C. Marijuan Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 3:45 PM To: fis@listas.unizar.es Subject: Re: [Fis] "The Travellers"

Re: [Fis] "The Travellers"

2014-10-29 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS colleagues, Quite interesting exchanges, really. The discussion reminds me the times when behaviorism and ethology were at odds on how to focus the study of human/animal behavior. (Maybe I already talked about that some months ago.) On the one side, a rigorous theory and a strongly re

Re: [Fis] "The Travellers"

2014-10-28 Thread Karl Javorszky
Very sympathetic on the concept of travelers is that the basic model is that of a dynamic system, as opposed to a Newtonian one, wherein everything stays put or keeps on continuing as having been instructed to do. For the bourgeois, the travelers have a connotation of mystery. They follow paths tha

Re: [Fis] "The Travellers"

2014-10-27 Thread Francesco Rizzo
Cari tutti, secondo me, il concetto o significato dell'informazione è l'assunzione o il prendere forma di tutti e di tutto. Vi sono tanti tipi di informazione che usano unità di misure diverse e talvolta contrastanti. Ad es, l'informazione matematica si misura in bit di entropia. Nell'informazione

Re: [Fis] "The Travellers"

2014-10-26 Thread John Collier
Folks, I agree with Pedro that the meaning issue is important. After trying to give a coherent account within established information theory for a number of years (starting with "Intrinsic Information" in 1990) I came to the conclusion that information theory was not enough, and admitted th

[Fis] "The Travellers"

2014-10-23 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS colleagues, Regarding the theme of physical information raised by Igor and Joseph, the main problematic aspect of information (meaning) is missing there. One can imagine that as two physical systems interact, each one may be metaphorically attributed with meaning respect the changes e