Re: [Fis] There is no Information Science.

2011-12-18 Thread PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ
Dear FIS colleagues,Thanks toMarcin for his well-thought reinterpretations of 
the blind men parable. Time ago Iwas concerned about the reactions that the FIS 
project would provoke amidstclassical information science practitioners (very 
susceptible blind men type).I was invited to some conferences in the field and 
could realize that ingeneral the idea of a larger info science was very well 
received, say the wayengineering minded parties would respond to ongoing 
unification projects in paralleltheoretical fields. For them it was quite 
timely, and sensible, in line withadvancements in quantum information science, 
biological info-revolution, consciousnessstudies, information society, etc. 
Besides it was seen within the convergence ofnew perspectives needed for data 
driven research, data mining, network science, and so on. It is quitedifficult, 
however, articulating a general syllabus for information science –withouta 
previous consensus in some delicate matters, so often herein discussed. Atthe 
time being an interesting option could be a “central themes” core accompaniedby 
a spattering of introductory topics on info disciplines (or subdisciplines).As 
I said, my experience teaching info history of societies and bioinfo wasquite 
successful in terms of graduate students.  But I did not venture in preparing 
the centralthemes part…Some posts have already made good suggestions. The real 
teaching is the taste of the pudding, we badly need that experience.
Finally, away to think on the relationship between the “mother” info science 
and the “child”recombinatory info subdisciplines would again conduce to 
something similar to theblind men parable. The problem is the inevitable loop 
between info conceptionsand disciplinary or philosophical stances. Let me put 
it in this way: ifinformation is taken as “distinction on the adjacent”, each 
of the different sciencesbecomes “an artificial ordering of distinctions, 
involving regimentedperceptions, standardized actions, and logico-formal 
structures and conceptualizations.”The syllabus discussion may continue more 
easily through the distinctional bridge common to the informational and the 
sceintific... I think.
Best wishes---Pedro

- Mensaje original -
De: m...@aiu.ac.jp
Fecha: Sábado, 17 de Diciembre de 2011, 2:00 pm
Asunto: Re: There is no Information Science.
A: whhbs...@sina.com, Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es, fislist 
fis@listas.unizar.es

 Dear Tian-qing Qiao,
 
 Thank you for sharing your view with us and for interesting 
 parable of five blind men and an elephant. However, I read the 
 moral of the story just the opposite way. 
 
 If we read this allegory with the elephant representing 
 information, it shows that Information Science with a broad 
 theory of information is necessary, unless we want to stay in 
 the position of the blind, who are using only practice, which 
 necessarily is limited to specific instances. 
 
 We know now that the view of Francis Bacon, who opposed 
 formulation of any theory which is not strictly a posteriori 
 result of inductive, purely empirical procedures faulty. Every 
 experiment or observation involves a priori theoretical 
 framework involving conceptualization of the problem (Kant) or 
 more down to earth simple fact that we need theoretical 
 description of the experimental procedures and equipment. We 
 know that positivistic idea of purely observational 
 statements is an illusion. 
 
 Moreover, there were many instances of important contributions 
 to scientific discoveries made by bold theoretical models 
 anticipating later experimental results. Schroedinger's little 
 book What is life? is a good example. It is his purely 
 theoretical concept of aperiodic crystals which stimulated 
 Crick in his later work with Watson on the structure of DNA.
 
 Thus, we are in the position of the blind men who are 
 exploring an elephant, i.e. information, who can even measure 
 it. The actual breakthrough can come only when we have a 
 theory of information which describes not only its quantity, 
 but also its structural and dynamical characteristics. 
 
 We can read the story different way, probably closer to your 
 interpretation of this allegory. The elephant represents the 
 world, universe, or reality. But, in this case I see exactly 
 the same moral. We will stay blind, if we do not develop 
 methods of integration of the pieces of information coming 
 from practice, from reports of the specific domains of 
 investigation. Here we have a very clear role of the 
 development of the theory and methods of integration of 
 information, which in my opinion in the most important task of 
 Information Science. It is much more important that the 
 ability to measure information. 
 
 Thus, no matter how we look at the story of the blind men and 
 the elephant, it shows that Information Science is of great 
 importance. Whether it is possible or not to give it shape 
 similar to other, older

[Fis] Fw: Discussion of Information Science Education

2011-12-03 Thread Joseph Brenner
Dear Marcin, Gordana, Loet, Krassimir and Colleagues,

I did not think I was going to participate in this discussion, being as I am so 
far outside the place when curricula are established and syllabi needed.

Yet when I saw your message, Loet, I was concerned that something very 
important in this exercise might be overlooked. Far from reinventing the 
wheel, the necessity of the task, IMHO, is defined by the following snippets 
from Marcin and Krassimir:

 Information Science will never receive recognition without an organized 
 effort of the research  community to introduce its philosophy, goals, 
 methods, and achievements to the general 

 audience. 



This is /our/  task, to lead such an effort, for which there may be little 
precedent.



 What we have to do? Of course, to establish a common paradigm !?! The great 
 problem here  is that every author stays on his own position and does not 
 accept the others. Well, I hope this  is temporary but it is not so short a 
 period.



Thus, the objective should not be a common, monolithic paradigm that everyone 
will accept, but commitment to a reasoned, fallible process of selection and 
commitment, with the goal of enabling something new to emerge.



Is this relevant to information science? Of course it is. Is what Loet refers 
to relevant to information science? Of course it is. But both should find a 
place in the syllabus.



Best wishes,



Joseph



 
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