Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2017-01-11 Thread Christophe
John Collier Cc : Foundations of Information Science Information Science; Dai Griffiths Objet : Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life? Leot remarks: "... we need a kind of calculus of redundancy." I agree whole-heartedly. What for Shannon was the key to error-correction is

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?; towards a calculus of redundancy

2017-01-10 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
nce W. DEACON [mailto:dea...@berkeley.edu] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 8:15 PM To: John Collier Cc: l...@leydesdorff.net; Dai Griffiths; Foundations of Information Science Information Science Subject: Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life? Leot remarks: "... we need

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2017-01-10 Thread Terrence W. DEACON
nizar.es] *On Behalf Of *Loet > Leydesdorff > *Sent:* December 31, 2016 12:16 AM > *To:* 'Terrence W. DEACON' <dea...@berkeley.edu>; 'Dai Griffiths' < > dai.griffith...@gmail.com>; 'Foundations of Information Science > Information Science' <fis@listas.unizar.es> >

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2017-01-10 Thread John Collier
To: 'Terrence W. DEACON' <dea...@berkeley.edu>; 'Dai Griffiths' <dai.griffith...@gmail.com>; 'Foundations of Information Science Information Science' <fis@listas.unizar.es> Subject: Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life? We agree that such a theory is a ways off, though you

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-31 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
rs; u...@umces.edu; Alex Hankey; FIS Webinar Subject: Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life? List, Please allow me to respond to Loet about the definition of information stated below. 1. the definition of information as uncertainty is counter-intuitive ("bizarre&

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-30 Thread Terrence W. DEACON
gt;> release of energy that then constitutes work and the propagation of >>>> organization.” I asked several times what this means and how one can >>>> measure this information. Hitherto, I only obtained the answer that >>>> colleagues who disagree with me will be cit

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-29 Thread Francesco Rizzo
; >>> Professor, University of Amsterdam >>> Amsterdam School of Communication Research (ASCoR) >>> >>> <l...@leydesdorff.net> <l...@leydesdorff.net>l...@leydesdorff.net ; >>> <http://www.leydesdorff.net/> <http://www.leydesdorff.ne

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-29 Thread Terrence W. DEACON
esdorff.net/> <http://www.leydesdorff.net/> >> http://www.leydesdorff.net/ >> Associate Faculty, SPRU, <http://www.sussex.ac.uk/spru/>University of >> Sussex; >> >> Guest Professor Zhejiang Univ. <http://www.zju.edu.cn/english/>, >> Hangzhou; Visiting Pr

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-29 Thread Dai Griffiths
...@leydesdorff.net> *Cc:* James Peters; u...@umces.edu <mailto:u...@umces.edu>; Alex Hankey; FIS Webinar *Subject:* Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life? List, Please allow me to respond to Loet about the definition of information stated below. 1

[Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-26 Thread Christophe
De : Fis <fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es> de la part de Loet Leydesdorff <l...@leydesdorff.net> Envoyé : lundi 26 décembre 2016 14:01 À : 'Terrence W. DEACON'; 'Francesco Rizzo'; 'fis' Objet : Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life? In this respect L

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-26 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
In this respect Loet comments: "In my opinion, the status of Shannon’s mathematical theory of information is different from special theories of information (e.g., biological ones) since the formal theory enables us to translate between these latter theories." We are essentially in

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-24 Thread Terrence W. DEACON
; >> l...@leydesdorff.net ; http://www.leydesdorff.net/ >> Associate Faculty, SPRU, <http://www.sussex.ac.uk/spru/>University of >> Sussex; >> >> Guest Professor Zhejiang Univ. <http://www.zju.edu.cn/english/>, >> Hangzhou; Visiting Professor, ISTIC, >>

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-23 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYJ=en From: Fis [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Terrence W. DEACON Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 5:33 AM To: fis Subject: Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life? Against information fundamentalism Rather than figh

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-22 Thread Dai Griffiths
ces.edu; Alex Hankey; FIS Webinar *Subject:* Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life? List, Please allow me to respond to Loet about the definition of information stated below. 1. the definition of information as uncertainty is counter-intuitive ("bizarre"); (p. 27) I agree.

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-19 Thread Bob Logan
Dear Dick - I loved your analysis. You are right on the money. It also explains why Shannon dominated the field of information. He had a mathematical formula and there is nothing more appealing to a scientist than a mathematical formula. But you are right his formula only tells us of how many

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-19 Thread Dick Stoute
List, Please allow me to respond to Loet about the definition of information stated below. 1. the definition of information as uncertainty is counter-intuitive ("bizarre"); (p. 27) I agree. I struggled with this definition for a long time before realising that Shannon was really discussing

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-18 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear James and colleagues, Weaver (1949) made two major remarks about his coauthor (Shannon)'s contribution: 1. the definition of information as uncertainty is counter-intuitive ("bizarre"); (p. 27) 2. "In particular, information must not be confused with meaning." (p. 8) The

Re: [Fis] What is Information? - Propagating Organization in the Biosphere, the Symbolosphere, the Technosphere and the Econosphere

2016-06-17 Thread Moisés André Nisenbaum
Hi, Bob. It is an awesome book! I read the Portuguese version. I am happy to know that it is available online for everyone :-) Kind regards. Moisés 2016-06-15 18:21 GMT-03:00 Bob Logan : > Dear FIS colleagues - I received three complimentary emails re my paper, >

[Fis] What is Information? - Propagating Organization in the Biosphere, the Symbolosphere, the Technosphere and the Econosphere

2016-06-15 Thread Bob Logan
Dear FIS colleagues - I received three complimentary emails re my paper, Propagating Organization: An Enquiry, the paper I wrote with Stuart Kauffman and others and which I shared with the list. As a result I thought some of you might be interested in the book I wrote based on that paper

[Fis] what is information

2015-10-03 Thread Emanuel Diamant
Dear all, I apologize for the delayed response and fragmented personal replies. I apologize that not all of your responses were selected for further comments, only those that were the first to come and those that look as the most relevant ones. I apologize that not all topics of these

[Fis] What are information and science?

2015-05-23 Thread Marcus Abundis
Dear Colleagues, Re Pedro's point and other related postings . . . I would never bet for a new info-reductionism, or explanatory monism, science is an elegant Babel construction always condemned --or enjoying-- the plurality of disciplinary languages and views. I echo the questions around

Re: [Fis] What are information and science?

2015-05-20 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear colleagues, I see informational processes as essentially being proto-scientific – how is any science not an informational process? The sciences, in my opinion, are different in terms of what is communicated. As Maturana noted, the communication of molecules generates a biology.

Re: [Fis] What are information and science?

2015-05-20 Thread Dai Griffiths
Thanks Loet, that is helpful, and makes intuitively good sense. But I remain puzzled. I see two distinct cases: Case 1: For molecules 'communication' consists of interaction between the molecules themselves, resulting in biology. Similarly, for atoms 'communication' consists of interaction

[Fis] What are information and science?

2015-05-20 Thread Marcus Abundis
Greetings to all, As I read these comments I have a hard time finding an effective anchor upon which to add notes. I see informational processes as essentially being proto-scientific – how is any science not an informational process? First, I think this places me in the camp of Peirce's view.

Re: [Fis] What are information and science?

2015-05-20 Thread Dai Griffiths
Thanks Robert, I agree with what you say about DNA, so I may be on the same slippery path to catastrophic heterodoxy! In responding to the question what is information, started by Marcus, I was pointing out what seemed to me to be a shifting definition of 'communication', and wondering if

Re: [Fis] What are information and science?

2015-05-20 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Dear Dai: To say that molecules only interact directly is to ignore the metabolic matrix that constitutes the actual agency in living systems. For example, we read everywhere how DNA/RNA directs development, when the molecule itself is a passive material cause. It is the network of proteomic and