Re: [Fis] A Paradox

2018-03-19 Thread Otto E. Rossler
018 11:20 上午To: ZouXiaohui <949309...@qq.com>Cc: 闫学杉 <y...@pku.edu.cn>, fis <fis@listas.unizar.es>Subject: Re: [Fis] A Paradox Many thanks Zou. Syed Confidential: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individua

Re: [Fis] A Paradox

2018-03-19 Thread ZouXiaohui
: Syed Ali <doctorsyedal...@gmail.com> Date: ,3?? 6,2018 11:20 To: ZouXiaohui <949309...@qq.com> Cc: ?? <y...@pku.edu.cn>, fis <fis@listas.unizar.es> Subject: Re: [Fis] A Paradox Many thanks Zou. Syed Confidential: This email and any files transmitted

Re: [Fis] A Paradox

2018-03-05 Thread Francesco Rizzo
kindly. The most simple example from genetics is: an egg cell >> accepts a sperm cell, a fertilized egg contains a set of effective genetic >> information from paternal and maternal cell, here information transmission >> has taken place, but is there any "meaning" and "exp

Re: [Fis] A Paradox

2018-03-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
; > Xueshan > > > > From: Syed Ali [mailto:doctorsyedal...@gmail.com > <mailto:doctorsyedal...@gmail.com>] > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 8:10 PM > To: Sungchul Ji <s...@pharmacy.rutgers.edu <mailto:s...@pharmacy.rutgers.edu>> > Cc: Terrence W.

Re: [Fis] A Paradox

2018-03-04 Thread Alex Hankey
anation of this paradox so > far. > > > > Best wishes, > > Xueshan > > > > *From:* Syed Ali [mailto:doctorsyedal...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 27, 2018 8:10 PM > *To:* Sungchul Ji <s...@pharmacy.rutgers.edu> > *Cc:* Terrence W. DEACON

Re: [Fis] A Paradox

2018-03-04 Thread Francesco Rizzo
Thank you! >> >> Best wish! >> >> Zou Xiaohui >> >> >> 发自我的iPhone >> >> >> -- Original -- >> *From:* Syed Ali <doctorsyedal...@gmail.com> >> *Date:* 周一,3月 5,2018 4:26 上午 >&

Re: [Fis] A Paradox

2018-03-04 Thread Francesco Rizzo
t; *Date:* 周一,3月 5,2018 4:26 上午 > *To:* ZouXiaohui <949309...@qq.com> > *Cc:* 闫学杉 <y...@pku.edu.cn>, fis <fis@listas.unizar.es> > *Subject:* Re: [Fis] A Paradox > > Dear Colleagues: > Could you critique a view: Information is the container of meaning ? > Syed >

Re: [Fis] A Paradox

2018-03-04 Thread ZouXiaohui
! Zou Xiaohui iPhone -- Original -- From: Syed Ali <doctorsyedal...@gmail.com> Date: ,3?? 5,2018 4:26 To: ZouXiaohui <949309...@qq.com> Cc: ?? <y...@pku.edu.cn>, fis <fis@listas.unizar.es> Subject: Re:

Re: [Fis] A Paradox

2018-03-04 Thread Mark Johnson
ser=ych9gNYJ=en > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Mark Johnson" <johnsonm...@gmail.com> > To: "Loet Leydesdorff" <l...@leydesdorff.net> > Cc: y...@pku.edu.cn; "FIS Group" <fis@listas.unizar.es> > Sent: 3/4/2018 1:0

Re: [Fis] A Paradox

2018-03-04 Thread Søren Brier
Søren From: Fis [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Xueshan Yan Sent: 4. marts 2018 02:17 To: FIS Group <fis@listas.unizar.es> Subject: Re: [Fis] A Paradox Dear Dai, Søren, Karl, Sung, Syed, Stan, Terry, and Loet, I am sorry to reply you late, but I have thor

Re: [Fis] A Paradox

2018-03-04 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
com> To: "Loet Leydesdorff" <l...@leydesdorff.net> Cc: y...@pku.edu.cn; "FIS Group" <fis@listas.unizar.es> Sent: 3/4/2018 1:03:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fis] A Paradox Dear Loet, all, I agree with this. Our construction of reality is never that of a single system: t

Re: [Fis] A Paradox

2018-03-04 Thread Mark Johnson
ther context like plant or molecule or cell etc., this is the > key we dissolve the paradox. > > In general, I have not seen any effective explanation of this paradox so > far. > > > > Best wishes, > > Xueshan > > > > *From:* Syed Ali [mailto:doctorsyedal...@g

Re: [Fis] A Paradox

2018-03-04 Thread ZouXiaohui
o: FIS Group <fis@listas.unizar.es> Subject: Re: [Fis] A Paradox Dear Dai, S?0?3ren, Karl, Sung, Syed, Stan, Terry, and Loet, I am sorry to reply you late, but I have thoroughly read every post about the paradox and they have brought me many inspirations, thank you. Now I offer my response

Re: [Fis] A Paradox

2018-03-03 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
olar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYJ=en -- Original Message -- From: "Xueshan Yan" <y...@pku.edu.cn> To: "FIS Group" <fis@listas.unizar.es> Sent: 3/4/2018 2:17:01 AM Subject: Re: [Fis] A Paradox Dear Dai, Søren, Karl, Sung, Syed, Stan, Terry, and Loet,

Re: [Fis] A Paradox

2018-03-03 Thread Xueshan Yan
seen any effective explanation of this paradox so far. Best wishes, Xueshan From: Syed Ali [mailto:doctorsyedal...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 8:10 PM To: Sungchul Ji <s...@pharmacy.rutgers.edu> Cc: Terrence W. DEACON <dea...@berkeley.edu>; Xueshan Yan <y...@p

Re: [Fis] A Paradox

2018-02-26 Thread Sungchul Ji
1:13 PM To: Xueshan Yan Cc: FIS Group Subject: Re: [Fis] A Paradox It is so easy to get into a muddle mixing technical uses of a term with colloquial uses, and add a dash of philosophy and discipline-specific terminology and it becomes mental quicksand. Terms like 'information' and 'me

Re: [Fis] A Paradox

2018-02-26 Thread Søren Brier
mton.edu>; fis <fis@listas.unizar.es> Subject: Re[2]: [Fis] A Paradox Dear Soren, I agree with Stan's wording, but your wording is ambiguous. The meaning is not biologically given, but constructed in a discourse among biologists. The discourse can also be theological and then one obtai

Re: [Fis] A Paradox

2018-02-26 Thread Terrence W. DEACON
It is so easy to get into a muddle mixing technical uses of a term with colloquial uses, and add a dash of philosophy and discipline-specific terminology and it becomes mental quicksand. Terms like 'information' and 'meaning" easily lead us into these sorts of confusions because they have so many

Re: [Fis] A Paradox

2018-02-26 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYJ=en -- Original Message -- From: "Søren Brier" <sbr@cbs.dk> To: "Stanley N Salthe" <ssal...@binghamton.edu>; "fis" <fis@listas.unizar.es> Sent: 2/26/2018 6:41:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fis] A P

Re: [Fis] A Paradox

2018-02-26 Thread Søren Brier
. februar 2018 16:19 To: Søren Brier <sbr@cbs.dk>; fis <fis@listas.unizar.es> Subject: Re: [Fis] A Paradox Following upon Søren: Meaning is derived for a system by way of Interpretation. The transmitted information has no meaning without interpretation. STAN On Mon, Feb 26, 201

Re: [Fis] A Paradox

2018-02-26 Thread Stanley N Salthe
Following upon Søren: Meaning is derived for a system by way of Interpretation. The transmitted information has no meaning without interpretation. STAN On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 6:26 AM, Søren Brier wrote: > Dear Xueshan > > > > The solution to the paradox is to go to a

Re: [Fis] A Paradox

2018-02-26 Thread Karl Javorszky
Dear Xueshan, let us work thru your Armenia paradox. It says: " Suppose an earthquake occurred in Armenia last night and all of the main media of the world have given the report about it. On the second day, two students A and B are putting forward a dialogue facing the newspaper headline

Re: [Fis] A Paradox

2018-02-26 Thread Søren Brier
Dear Xueshan The solution to the paradox is to go to a metaparadigm that can encompass information science as well as linguistics. C.S. Peirce's semiotics is such a paradigm especially if you can integrate cybernetics and systems theory with it. There is a summary of the framework of

Re: [Fis] A Paradox

2018-02-26 Thread Dai Griffiths
Dear Xueshan, You ask "how should we understand this paradox?" I suggest that we start by looking at what it might mean for information or meaning to be 'contained' in a sentence. Lakoff would have told us that this is a metaphor, and specifically the pervasive 'container metaphor'.