Re: [Fis] [Fwd: Re: Steps to a theory of reference significance] Terry Deacon

2015-01-09 Thread Guy A Hoelzer
Hi Terry, I have a question about your ‘PS’. I think of MEP as being constrained by potentials and a limited set of material opportunities (the adjacent possibilities). I think of it as a thermodynamic version of natural selection in which some alternative states are thermodynamically

[Fis] Response to Pedro's first comments:

2015-01-09 Thread Terrence W. DEACON
Response to Pedro's first comments: My choice of autogenesis is motivated by ... 1. It is the simplest dynamical system I have been able to imagine that exhibits the requisite properties required for an interpretive system (i.e. one that can assign reference and significance to a signal due to

[Fis] RV: Response to Pedro's first comments. --Bob Ulanowicz

2015-01-09 Thread PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ
Message from Bob Ulanowicz De: Robert E. Ulanowicz [u...@umces.edu] Enviado el: viernes, 09 de enero de 2015 19:30 Para: fis@listas.unizar.es Asunto: Re: [Fis] Response to Pedro's first comments: Terry Deacon wrote: 3. The self-regulating self-repairing

Re: [Fis] [Fwd: Re: Steps to a theory of reference significance] Terry Deacon

2015-01-09 Thread Terrence W. DEACON
Hi Guy, Yes. Clearly self-organized dissipative processes can be blocked from completely dissipating or else autogenesis could not be possible. The key point is this: self-organized dissipative systems like tornados, growing snow crystals, or Benárd convection cells do not involve any dynamical

[Fis] MEPP

2015-01-09 Thread Stanley N Salthe
TD: Autogenesis is also not a Maximum Entropy Production process because it halts dissipation before its essential self-preserving constraints are degraded and therefore does not exhaust the gradient(s) on which its persistence depends. S: Abiotic dissipative structures will degrade their

[Fis] Section 4/Re: Steps to a theory of reference significance

2015-01-09 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
(Following some requests, I include herewith the points of Section 4, the theoretical core. For recent subscribers--some pirates on board!-- the responses should directly go to: fis@listas.unizar.es Also, remember please that only two messages per week are allowed, except the discussion chair,

Re: [Fis] Steps to a theory of reference significance

2015-01-09 Thread Jeremy Sherman
Hi Pedro, Jeremy Sherman here, a long-time pirate. Pleased to meet you. You say: I am also critical with the autogenesis model systems--wouldn't it be far clearer approaching a (relatively) simple prokaryotic cell and discuss upon its intertwining of the communication and self-production

[Fis] [Fwd: Re: Steps to a theory of reference significance] Terry Deacon

2015-01-09 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Message from Terry Deacon Original Message Subject:Re: [Fis] Steps to a theory of reference significance Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 03:32:22 +0100 From: Terrence W. DEACON dea...@berkeley.edu To: Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es References: