Re: [Fis] Fwd: Re: Concluding the Lecture?

2015-01-30 Thread Steven Ericsson-Zenith
Dear Terry, list. I apologize that I have not had the time to keep up with this discussion. I did try to read Terry's text but found it strangely impenetrable with many more word than were necessary to make a point. This is, perhaps, merely a question of style, repeated in the recent books of his

[Fis] Fwd: Re: Concluding the Lecture?

2015-01-30 Thread joe.bren...@bluewin.ch
Dear Pedro, Dear FISers, Terrence Deacon has made a passionate plea for the proper consideration of his approach to information science that his contribution merits. But this consideration is only possible if he is willing to accept that some of his positions may be contaminated with

Re: [Fis] Fwd: Re: Concluding the Lecture?

2015-01-30 Thread Terrence W. DEACON
Thanks to Joseph for this spirited rejoinder, and to Krassimir for reminding us that convergence is perhaps more likely to succeed than any single-minded approach. With Krassimir, I am in agreement. I have probably overstated the priority of my own approach, even if I do believe it to be a best

Re: [Fis] Fwd: Re: Concluding the Lecture?

2015-01-30 Thread Terrence W. DEACON
Hi Steven, My apologies for wordiness. We all have our weaknesses. I am curious about your claim that a complete theory of information may be impossible. I am not even sure what this would mean — except irresolvable dualism. But as to the issue of whether I advocate an identity theory, I can

Re: [Fis] Fwd: Re: Concluding the Lecture?

2015-01-30 Thread Terrence W. DEACON
Dear Steven, Sadly Taking the time (and wordiness) required to explain my critique and redefinition of emergence is beyond the scope this venue and your patience, so I can only point to my too lengthy book for that account. Needless to say I do not accept either dualism or identity theory. My

Re: [Fis] Fwd: Re: Concluding the Lecture?

2015-01-30 Thread joe.bren...@bluewin.ch
Terry, In your discussion paper, you state that an interpretive process can only be adequately defined with respect to a process that is organized to maintain itself by repairing and reconstituting its essential form and dispositions - a teleodynamic process. I agree with this definition.

Re: [Fis] Fwd: Re: Concluding the Lecture?

2015-01-30 Thread Steven Ericsson-Zenith
Dear Terry, This emergence theory, at least on the face of it, is then surely an advocacy of dualism, since epiphenomenalism is logically indistinguishable from identity theory. So I must ask how you propose to distinguish the two. Information theory is a way of speaking about what happens in

Re: [Fis] Fwd: Re: Concluding the Lecture?

2015-01-30 Thread Francesco Rizzo
Cari Tutti, non vi frastornate. Il pensiero pensante non lo ferma nessuno. Una legge dell'informazione per tutto il sapere e l'intera esistenza è possibile e inevitabile, al di là di ogni specificazione. Inform-azione significa sempre e in tutti i settori del sapere, dare o prendere forma,

Re: [Fis] Concluding the Lecture?

2015-01-30 Thread Bob Logan
Thanks Pedro for your remarks. We have not reached our destination as you point out but the important thing is to enjoy the journey which I certainly have. It is inevitable that with such a slippery concept as information that there will be different destinations depending on the travellers but

[Fis] Concluding the Lecture?

2015-01-30 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Terry and colleagues, At your convenience, during the first week of February or so we may put an end to the ongoing New Year Lecture --discussants willing to enter their late comments should hurry up. Your own final or concluding comment will be appreciated. Personally, my late comment