Re: [Fis] It-from-Bit and information interpretation of QM

2015-06-27 Thread Koichiro Matsuno
At 4:00 AM 06/27/2015, John Collier wrote: I also see no reason that Bateson’s difference that makes a difference needs to involve meaning at either end. [KM] Right. The phrase saying “a difference that makes a difference” must be a prototypical example of second-order logic in that the

Re: [Fis] It-from-Bit and information interpretation of QM

2015-06-27 Thread John Collier
Sorry Loet, but I just don't see the need for an observer. I do think the difference must be by something to something (perhaps the same thing) but Koichiro's formulation implies this. Again, I warn against unneeded complication. Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message

Re: [Fis] It-from-Bit and information interpretation of QM

2015-06-27 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Koichiro: “In order to make them decidable or meaningful, some qualifier must definitely be needed. A popular example of such a qualifier is a subjective observer.” “A difference that makes a difference” for a qualifier, thus requires specification of: 1. The first difference; 2.

Re: [Fis] QM and information

2015-06-27 Thread Steven Ericsson-Zenith
On Jun 26, 2015, at 10:02 PM, Andrei Khrennikov andrei.khrenni...@lnu.se wrote: Life is hard... I am afraid that it is impossible to put this qualifier in front information used in recent information approaches to quantum mechanics. For Zeilinger and Brukner (this is my private