[Fis] _ Re: _ DISCUSSION SESSION: INFOBIOSEMIOTICS

2016-04-02 Thread Louis H Kauffman
Dear Soren, If you were to read the dialogues with Mary Catherine Bateson (as a child) and Gregory Bateson in “Steps to an Ecology of Mind”, you might change your notion of what sort of view of the observer is being studied in cybernetics. It is all, through and through about a feeling for and

[Fis] _ _ Re: _ DISCUSSION SESSION: INFOBIOSEMIOTICS

2016-04-02 Thread Louis H Kauffman
Dear Soren, I want to make a further comment on "It thus seems obvious that Bateson's “pattern that con­nects” includes the phenomeno­logical-emotional dimen­sion in its concept of mind but viewed as computational thoughts of relation, not as first person experiences. Cybernetics does not

Re: [Fis] _ Re: _ DISCUSSION SESSION: INFOBIOSEMIOTICS

2016-04-02 Thread Francesco Rizzo
Caro Louis e Cari Tutti, tutta la mia più che cinquantennale ricerca si basa proprio sull'informazione semiotica unita all'informazione naturale o termodinamica, genetica e matematica. Anzi ho incontrato e conosciuto Pedro, se non ricordo male, il 17-22 setmbre 2002 ad Acireale (Catania) si è

[Fis] _ Re: Fis Digest, Vol 25, Issue 3

2016-04-02 Thread Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov
Dear Rukhsan, thank you for your kind message. Please leave the polite qualification “Dr.’ We are all Drs here ;-) Our minds are entangled. I just sent you and Lou a message privately, because I think that the open FIS discussion on math was closed and we should let the forum discuss the next

Re: [Fis] _ DISCUSSION SESSION: INFOBIOSEMIOTICS

2016-04-02 Thread Gordana Dodig-Crnkovic
Dear colleagues, In my understanding, both Loet and Søren are right. Loet about how sciences look like today and Sören about the need of integrative processes in the future. Sören: Thus the question is how can we establish an alternative transdisciplinary model of the sciences and the