Re: [Fis] Data - Reflection - Information

2017-10-15 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear Mark: Do we want to defend a definition of meaning which is tied to scientific practice as we know it? Would that be too narrow? Ours may not be the only way of doing science... I meant my remarks analytically. You provide them with a normative turn as defensive against alternative ways

Re: [Fis] Data - Reflection - Information

2017-10-15 Thread Mark Johnson
Dear Loet, I mean to be analytical too. The Pythonesque nature of my questioning leads naturally to recursion: What is the meaning of meaning? There's a logic in the recursion - Peirce, Spencer-Brown, Leibnitz, Lou Kauffman... and you have probed this. Were you or I to be part of a recursive

Re: [Fis] What is “Agent”?

2017-10-15 Thread Alex Hankey
Dear All, I particularly approve of theJose's comment that: " following D. Hofstadter, H. von Foerster, N. Luhmann and others we could think of a agent/observer as a self-referential loop." That is because I show that such loops occur at the locus of control of biological systems where the