Re: [Fis] Adding dimensions

2017-10-26 Thread Joseph Brenner
Dear Arturo, I think this formulation is correct and very useful. It implies, in the formal sense of real implication, a dynamics of emergence of the more complex states. Gerhard Luhn has also pointed to this emergence (he calls it of 'new laws') as a property of the universe, of which are our

Re: [Fis] The two very important operations of Infos

2017-10-26 Thread Louis H Kauffman
Dear Terrence, Condsider the Russell paradox. Russell set is R = { x a set | x is not a member of itself}. If instead we define R = { x a set | x is not a member of itself, and x is defined PRIOR TO THE APPLICATION OF THIS DEFINITION} then R is not a member of itself since it occurs AFTER

Re: [Fis] Adding dimensions

2017-10-26 Thread Terrence W. DEACON
To clarify my previous point about paradox: When G. S. Brown deals with re-entrant forms by introducing time, and Gregory Bateson reframes logical type violation on the analogy of an electric buzzer, both do indeed include an additional dimension. This is not the same as Bateson's concept of

Re: [Fis] The two very important operations of Infos

2017-10-26 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear Terry and colleagues, (...) , there cannot be interminable regress of this displacement to establish these norms. At some point normativity requires ontological grounding where the grounded normative relation is the preservation of the systemic physical properties that produce the