[Fis] Bob Logan's introduction to the FIS list

2007-07-03 Thread bob logan
From: bob logan mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: June 30, 2007 8:48:19 AM EDT (CA) To: mailto:fis@listas.unizar.esfis@listas.unizar.es Subject: Bob Logan's introduction to the FIS list Dear, Cher, Caro, Liebe Colleagues I am honoured to have been invited to this list and look

[Fis] Fwd: Bob Logan's introduction to the FIS list: A Problem in Physics

2007-07-06 Thread bob logan
From: bob logan mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: July 5, 2007 11:56:29 AM EDT (CA) To: Joseph Brenner mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bob Logan's introduction to the FIS list: A Problem in Physics Dear Joseph - thanks so much for your email which has been

[Fis] Re: Logan response to the various comments of FISites

2007-10-07 Thread bob logan
overall reaction to all of the posts is one of deep appreciation. I look forward to the continued dialogue. Bob Logan Hi Jerry et al. I quite enjoyed this post below. The way the 3.486 billion possible interpretations are whittled down to 1 or possibly 2 meanings is through pragmatics

Re: [Fis] info meaning

2007-10-07 Thread bob logan
Karl et al - I agree there is lots of value in past FIS discussions of info but as Shannon himself opined It is hardly to be expected that a single concept of information would satisfactorily account for the numerous possible applications of this general field. I only offered one such

Re: [Fis] Info meaning

2007-10-07 Thread bob logan
Hi Stan - interesting ideas - I resonate with the thought that the meaning of info is associated with Aritostle's final cause - cheers Bob On 25-Sep-07, at 4:39 PM, Stanley N. Salthe wrote: First I comment on Pedro's: The information overload theme (in the evolution of social modes of

Re: [Fis] info meaning

2007-10-11 Thread bob logan
Dear Colleagues - I have combined my responses to a number of comments (from Ted, Stan and Loet) in one email. My comments are in red and the comments of the others that I am commenting on are in blue. Hi Ted - I did not understand why you clain Kauffman's approach is algrebraic. At the

Re: [Fis] info meaning

2007-10-12 Thread bob logan
Loet et al - I guess I am not convinced that information and entropy are connected. Entropy in physics has the dimension of energy divided by temperature. Shannon entropy has no physical dimension - it is missing the Boltzman constant. Therefore how can entropy and shannon entropy be

Re: [Fis] info meaning

2007-10-12 Thread bob logan
it - Bob On 12-Oct-07, at 3:01 PM, bob logan wrote: Loet et al - I guess I am not convinced that information and entropy are connected. Entropy in physics has the dimension of energy divided by temperature. Shannon entropy has no physical dimension - it is missing the Boltzman constant

Re: [Fis] Breaking my silence

2008-06-30 Thread bob logan
assertions but rather to help me understand them. Thanks - Bob L On 29-Jun-08, at 10:03 PM, Stanley Salthe wrote: Replying to Bob Logan, then to Pedro, then to Ted - -snip- Bob said: The reader will find in this paper an argument that Shannon info does not work for biological systems precisely

Re: [Fis] Derrida's diferAnce and Kolmogorov's Information Operator

2010-02-22 Thread bob logan
Dear Joseph - once again your post was most stimulating, provocative and enjoyable. Kolmogorov's definition of information that you quote is most interesting but like Shannon's definition incorporates the notion that information is a quantitative concept that can be measured. The Bateson

Re: [Fis] Curious chronicle

2010-07-19 Thread bob logan
Stanley -I have often had this thought. Better to compete on the football pitch than the battlefield. The term hero is used for those that excel in either form of battle. Bob __ Robert K. Logan Chief Scientist - sLab at OCAD Prof. Emeritus - Physics - U. of Toronto

Re: [Fis] [Fwd: THEORY AND SCIENCE] From QTQ

2012-01-10 Thread Bob Logan
Dear Gyorgy - well said - I agree with you and thank you for your excellent comments - Bob Logan On 2012-01-10, at 11:23 AM, Gyorgy Darvas wrote: I disagree! Theory is a part, an important element of science. Practice should check, can confirm or falsify a theory, but cannot replace

Re: [Fis] THEORY AND SCIENCE From QTQ

2012-01-11 Thread Bob Logan
enjoyed my playful take on the relation of science and theory which I offer as a serious resolution to the challenges raised in this thread. I also hope you will comment. with kind regards - Bob Logan On 2012-01-11, at 2:42 AM, Krassimir Markov wrote: Dear QTQ and FIS Colleagues, I am afraid

Re: [Fis] WG: stuff and non-stuff

2012-02-28 Thread Bob Logan
is operation in reality of constraints, extending their role discussed previously by Stuart Kauffmann, Bob Logan, Bob Ulanowicz, Stan and John himself and focussing on what, as the consequence of constraints, is absent in information and other complex processes. I hope that many colleagues

Re: [Fis] FW: [Fwd: Re: Physics of computing]--Plamen S.

2012-03-17 Thread Bob Logan
Stan - great formula but as I learned from Anthony Reading who wrote a lovely book on information Meaningful Information - it is the recipient that brings the meaning to the information. PS My book What is Information was been translated into Portuguese and published in Brazil where I am

[Fis] Incomplete Nature - Completing the discussion that Terry started

2012-04-26 Thread Bob Logan
Hi Terry - I just finished your book literally 2 minutes ago. I just had to tell you what a brilliant and moving piece of work it is. I plan to go through it and write a lengthy review of it just to attempt to nail down all the ideas you developed in this amazing tome. And I agree there is more

Re: [Fis] Stephen Wolfram discussing his ANKS in Reedit this Monday

2012-05-15 Thread Bob Logan
with multiple ways of describing it each of which employs a particular metaphor. The computational universe is just one example in a long line of cosmic metaphors and as our science and technology evolves so will the metaphors to describe this cosmos of ours. with kind regards - Bob Logan On 2012-05-15

Re: [Fis] The Information Flow

2012-11-13 Thread Bob Logan
Hey Stan - I agree with the way you characterize the role of logic as a linguistic mechanism. Logic connects one set of statements, the premises, with another set of statements, the conclusion. Without challenging your remarks I would suggest that like the case with the poets it is sometimes

Re: [Fis] fis Digest, Vol 570, Issue 2

2013-04-14 Thread Bob Logan
MacKay's formulation of his definition of information: Information is a distinction that makes a difference–MacKay If you google Information is a distinction that makes a difference you will find many more references to this quote. with kind regards - Bob Logan On 2013-04-14, at 4:52 AM, Xueshan

Re: [Fis] About FIS 2005

2013-04-15 Thread Bob Logan
, Robert K. Logan, Robert Este, Randy Goebel, David Hobill and Ilya Smulevich. published in 2007 in Biology and Philosophy 23: 27-45. I am happy to share this paper with anyone requesting it. Bob Logan On 2013-04-14, at 9:59 PM, Xueshan Yan wrote: Dear Michel, Thank you! I am very

Re: [Fis] Collier's Metaphysics

2013-05-26 Thread Bob Logan
Bruno - An interesting definition of God, omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient. And equally mysterious. Turing emulable and Robinson Arithmetic. How does one derive an understanding of the real world (the acoustic world) from axioms. The scientific method of observation, generalization,

Re: [Fis] Praxotype

2013-10-15 Thread Bob Logan
://www.academia.edu/783504/The_extended_mind_The_emergence_of_language_the_human_mind_and_culture cheers - Bob Logan On 2013-10-15, at 2:54 AM, John Collier wrote: This term might be useful in the context of the present discussion, especially in the contest of coordinated practice(s). Cognotype might

[Fis] Shameless promotion of McLuhan Misunderstood: Setting the Record Straight

2013-10-25 Thread Bob Logan
McLuhan has never been easy either (I don't necessarily agree with everything I say said McLuhan. Just imagine the rest). Thanks to Bob Logan now we can get closer to a full understanding of McLuhan's complex and amazing vision of contemporary culture. --Carlos A. Scolari, Universitat Pompeu

[Fis] feedforward

2013-11-24 Thread Bob Logan
Dear FIS colleagues - I have just completed the first draft a paper entitled Feedforward, I. A. Richards, Cybernetics and Marshall McLuhan. Feedforward is a fascinating concept developed by I. A. Richards which I posit had a significant impact on the work of Marshall McLuhan. I am attaching

Re: [Fis] Fw: Responses

2014-01-16 Thread Bob Logan
Hi Christophe - I enjoyed your response - full of meaningful information - :-) Your point is well taken. I agree what might be meaningful information for one agent might be meaningless for another. I can add another example to your list of examples which I encountered some time ago. An author

Re: [Fis] COLLECTIVE INTELLIGENCE

2014-03-06 Thread Bob Logan
the other questions in the fullness of time but now I must return to my duties. Thanks to John and Pedro for raising such an interesting topic. I look forward to our discussion and any comments on my remarks. With kind regards - Bob Logan PS - One of duties that has cut short my response to John's

Re: [Fis] Physical Informatics… (J.Brenner)

2014-10-20 Thread Bob Logan
Dear all - my take on this post is that the question of whether physical processes are information is like the question: Is there a sound if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to listen? This is like the Zen koan: what is the sound of one hand clapping If no one is in the forest are

Re: [Fis] The Travelers

2014-10-23 Thread Bob Logan
Dear Stan - could you clarify that last sentence of your = perhaps I misinterpreted it - are you saying that context in a purely physical abiotic situation is somehow related to interpretation and hence information. I apologize in advance if I mis-interpreted your remarks. In framing my

Re: [Fis] Neuroinformation?

2014-12-04 Thread Bob Logan
of all words but even more so for information. For those that agree with my sentiments the above is information and for those that do not it is nonsense. My best wishes to both groups, Bob Logan __ Robert K. Logan Prof. Emeritus - Physics - U. of Toronto Chief Scientist - sLab

Re: [Fis] Neuroinformation?

2014-12-05 Thread Bob Logan
and it informs. It informs the one who beholds the work of art but by whom is the work of art informed. Grazie e auguri - Bob Logan __ Robert K. Logan Prof. Emeritus - Physics - U. of Toronto Chief Scientist - sLab at OCAD http://utoronto.academia.edu/RobertKLogan

Re: [Fis] Concluding the Lecture? - In Praise of Teleodynamics

2015-02-05 Thread Bob Logan
in these two articles and will provide me with some feedback. Best wishes - Bob Logan __ Robert K. Logan Prof. Emeritus - Physics - U. of Toronto Chief Scientist - sLab at OCAD http://utoronto.academia.edu/RobertKLogan www.physics.utoronto.ca/Members/logan www.researchgate.net

Re: [Fis] Concluding the Lecture? - In Praise of Teleodynamics

2015-02-03 Thread Bob Logan
. And in these closing days of discussion (as well as in future privately shared emails after this window closes) I hope to receive some suggestions and constructive criticisms pointing to where I might go next with this approach. Thanks for all your inputs. Terry On 1/30/15, Bob Logan lo

Re: [Fis] Concluding the Lecture

2015-02-19 Thread Bob Logan
interesting discussion time, though rather silent in these final days. It was nice counting with Terry chairmanship, he has had a very hard work with all those responses--thanks a lot to him. Thanks are also due to Bob Logan for his implication in organizing the Lecture and to the Pirates thought

Re: [Fis] Concluding the Lecture?

2015-01-30 Thread Bob Logan
Thanks Pedro for your remarks. We have not reached our destination as you point out but the important thing is to enjoy the journey which I certainly have. It is inevitable that with such a slippery concept as information that there will be different destinations depending on the travellers but

[Fis] Some ideas on the multidimensionality of information.

2015-01-25 Thread Bob Logan
normal email channel. The Many Dimensions of Information; No Word is an Island – A Mind Map Bob Logan Prolegma and an Abstract: The concept of information has many dimensions and is described in many different ways. It has many different associations. It has many different definitions. It has

Re: [Fis] FIS newcomer

2015-06-24 Thread Bob Logan
Thanks to Moises Andre Nisenbaum I became acquainted with the very first person to write a computer program, namely Ada Lovelace. Her opinion which I also hold and seems to represent Bruno's opinion as well can be found in a quote of hers which can be found in the Wikipedia article about her.

Re: [Fis] IS4IS Vienna 2015

2015-06-11 Thread Bob Logan
To those that attended the IS4IS conference in Vienna: My apologies for missing my talk and the cruise on the Danube. I had to leave early Sun morn for Romania because my wife's mother had a stroke and I therefore missed giving my presentation. Never had a chance to say goodbye to the many

Re: [Fis] THE FOURTH GREAT DOMAIN OF SCIENCE: INFORMATIONAL?

2015-05-24 Thread Bob Logan
I believe Moises meant this email for Pedro and all of fis so I am copying you with my reply to Moises On 2015-05-24, at 7:17 AM, Moisés André Nisenbaum wrote: Hi, Pedro, Bob and FISers. It is interesting that the original post lead us to a variety of very important subjects. Thank you

[Fis] THE FOURTH GREAT DOMAIN OF SCIENCE: INFORMATIONAL? - What is a discipline?

2015-05-23 Thread Bob Logan
Dear Colleagues - I have been reading the posts in this thread and enjoying the conversation. I started playing with the notion of discipline and came up with these undisciplined playful thoughts which I believe provide an interesting or at least an alternative perspective on the notion of a

Re: [Fis] Shannon-Weavers' Levels A, B, C.

2015-10-15 Thread Bob Logan
Dear Loet - I agree with your remarks: "Bob and his colleagues define information (2008; p. 28) as “natural selection assembling the very constraints on the release of energy that then constitutes work and the propagation of organization.” This may have meaning in a biological framework, in

Re: [Fis] "Mechanical Information" in DNA

2016-06-08 Thread Bob Logan
mimics the DNA conformation in the nucleosome. Credit: Leiden Institute of Physics" The same word is used by Bob Logan and Stuart Kauffman to relate mechanical concepts with 'information' (http://philpapers.org/rec/KAUPOA <http://philpapers.org/rec/KAUPOA>) Could it have any parallel between these tw

[Fis] What is Information? - Propagating Organization in the Biosphere, the Symbolosphere, the Technosphere and the Econosphere

2016-06-15 Thread Bob Logan
o have a look at it and grab a copy of it - Thanks - Bob Logan __ Robert K. Logan Prof. Emeritus - Physics - U. of Toronto Fellow University of St. Michael's College Chief Scientist - sLab at OCAD http://utoronto.academia.edu/RobertKLogan www.physics.utoronto.ca/Members

Re: [Fis] Cho 2016 The social life of quarks

2016-01-16 Thread Bob Logan
the gluons. Metaphorically your - Bob Logan __ Robert K. Logan Prof. Emeritus - Physics - U. of Toronto Fellow University of St. Michael's College Chief Scientist - sLab at OCAD http://utoronto.academia.edu/RobertKLogan www.physics.utoronto.ca/Members/logan www.researchgate.n

Re: [Fis] Shouldn't we talk in FIS about LIGO and Gravitational Waves experimental measures and informational consequences?

2016-02-13 Thread Bob Logan
Hi Moises and FIS colleagues. The gravity wave that was detected last Sept informed us of the event of two black holes colliding 1.3 billion years ago - we learned how much energy was released which was approximately the 3 times the mass of the sum times c squared. We also learned that the

[Fis] _ Pirate Bay of Science

2016-02-13 Thread Bob Logan
Dear FISers fyi - Bob > Begin forwarded message: > > > >> http://www.sciencealert.com/this-woman-has-illegally-uploaded-millions-of-journal-articles-in-an-attempt-to-open-up-science >> >>

[Fis] _ Re: _ Re: _ Closing lecture

2016-02-02 Thread Bob Logan
Krassimir - I enjoyed your post and your definition of information. For more definitions of information especially the notion of the relativity of information you might wish to see my book What is Information? - Propagating Organization in the Biosphere, the Symbolosphere, the Technosphere and

[Fis] _ Re: _ RE: Cho 2016 The social life of quarks

2016-01-21 Thread Bob Logan
the word is used. best wishes - Bob Logan PS Here is the abstract: Abstract Our aim in this article is to attempt to discuss propagating organization of process, a poorly articulated union of matter, energy, work, constraints and that vexed concept, “information”, which unite in far from

Re: [Fis] NEW DISCUSSION SESSION: THE BIOLOGIC

2016-03-06 Thread Bob Logan
Please resend the attachment __ Robert K. Logan Prof. Emeritus - Physics - U. of Toronto Fellow University of St. Michael's College Chief Scientist - sLab at OCAD http://utoronto.academia.edu/RobertKLogan www.physics.utoronto.ca/Members/logan

Re: [Fis] Fis Digest, Vol 32, Issue 13

2016-11-14 Thread Bob Logan
Dear FISers - I enjoyed Jose’s distinction of meaning and sense making. Employing McLuhan’s notion of figure and ground in which one can only understand a figure in terms of the ground in which it operates, I would therefore say that meaning is figure and sense-making is the ground in which

Re: [Fis] Is quantum information the basis of spacetime?

2016-11-04 Thread Bob Logan
Hello Andrei - I am with you - sharing you sentiment. Information only pertains to living organisms and entails some signals that help them make a choice. A black hole makes no choices - it is ruled by the laws of physics. Abiotic systems have no information. A book is a set of signals that a

Re: [Fis] A provocative issue

2016-12-11 Thread Bob Logan
. The full papers available at: https://www.academia.edu/783503/Propagating_organization_an_enquiry Best wishes - Bob Logan Kauffman, Stuart, Robert K. Logan, Robert Este, Randy Goebel, David Hobill and Ilya Smulevich. 2007. Propagating Organization: An Inquiry. Biology and Philosophy 23: 27-45

Re: [Fis] Fwd: What is life?

2016-12-18 Thread Bob Logan
Hello Loet, Bob U, Alex et alia - I agree with Bob U when he wrote "The problem is that information is not an absolute.” As I have stated before on this list information is relative and depends on the context. And I agree with Loet when he wrote, "Different systems of reference, of course,

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-19 Thread Bob Logan
your research. thanks - Bob Logan __ Robert K. Logan Prof. Emeritus - Physics - U. of Toronto Fellow University of St. Michael's College Chief Scientist - sLab at OCAD http://utoronto.academia.edu/RobertKLogan www.physics.utoronto.ca/Members/logan www.researchgate.net

Re: [Fis] I finished my thesis work. The defense was March, 21th - Thank you very much to all list members :-)

2017-03-23 Thread Bob Logan
friend Rafael, for introducing FIS to me, to Pedro for the support and incentive and to Bob Logan for the many conversations and the excellent reception at Toronto. Um abraço!!! Moisés -- Moisés André Nisenbaum Doutor em Ciência da Informação (IBICT/UFRJ) Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ

Re: [Fis] Can the can drink beer ? - No way!

2017-03-26 Thread Bob Logan
, Jeremy 1982, p. 32 Grammatical Man: Information, Entropy, Language, and Life. New York: Simon and Schuster. ). Shannon defined information in such a way that he admitted was not necessarily about meaning. Information without meaning has no meaning for me. Kind regards to all - Bob Logan

Re: [Fis] A PROPOSAL ABOUT THE DEFINITION OF INFORMATION

2017-10-14 Thread Bob Logan
da Libero Mail per Android venerdì, 06 ottobre 2017, 02:15PM +02:00 da Bob Logan lo...@physics.utoronto.ca <mailto:lo...@physics.utoronto.ca>: Caro Arturo - and thanks for your feedback. The discussion of info on the FIS list (re what is info) is like the 3 blind men inspecting an

Re: [Fis] Heretic

2017-10-05 Thread Bob Logan
Lars-Göran Johansson appeared with which I am in agreement Best wishes to all - Bob Logan __ Robert K. Logan Prof. Emeritus - Physics - U. of Toronto Fellow University of St. Michael's College Chief Scientist - sLab at OCAD http://utoronto.academia.edu/RobertKLogan www.resear

Re: [Fis] What is “Agent”?

2017-10-19 Thread Bob Logan
Dear Terry and FIS friends - I agree with all that Terry has said about agency. I do wish to however to point out that an agent has choice and a non-agent has no choice. I would suggest that the defining characteristic of an agent is choice and therefore an agent must be a living organism and