[Fis] Msg. from W. Riofrio: About streams of order (III)

2008-06-19 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Bob, Loet and Pedro, I quite agree with Pedro! It is difficult to say the things more precise than that. I only add these words: The flow of information could be detected (an important challenge!) and the flow itself would be the indicator that something could be some form of order. On the

Re: [Fis] streams of order (III)

2008-06-20 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear discussants and FIS colleagues, I much appreciate Bob's comments, as I also observe a strong mutual concordance. The absences theme, which I could not comment last day, was also present in ideas I developed years ago on cell functional voids (absences, needs) as a leit motif of cellular

Re: [Fis] Msg. from W. Riofrio streams of order (III): Logic

2008-06-26 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
are never reached, but only approached asymptotically. 6. For the above reasons, I think LIR is indeed a new form of logic. - Original Message - From: Pedro C. Marijuan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fis fis@listas.unizar.es Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 1:01 PM Subject: [Fis] Msg. from W. Riofrio

Re: [Fis] On the Concept of Order in Relation to Scientific Information

2008-06-26 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS Colleagues, These days I am involved in a Congress and will not be able to do the maintenance work of the list (until next Monday). Remember please the instructions I gave weeks ago on how to react to spam filters rejection ---and think that, above all, we are a list for quiet

[Fis] Msg. from Bill Hall ---A new voice

2008-06-30 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
From: Bill Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2008 6:57 PM To: 'bob logan'; 'fis@listas.unizar.es' Subject: RE: [Fis] Breaking my silence I have been a lurker on FIS for nearly a year, and have found the discussions to be quite interesting. However, I have been

[Fis] Msg. from W. Riofrio---streams of order (III): Logic

2008-06-30 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Joseph, Thank you for your answers. They provoked in me the following comments: 1. I agree with you about the totally abstract and idealized character of Hegelian terms. 2. In your first post you said: “Order and disorder: simply, no real process is totally ordered or

[Fis] reference details

2008-06-30 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS colleagues, Someone was asking me about the complete reference of Wright (2007)... indeed his key ideas are pretty relevant for the ongoing exchanges. Alex Wright, 2007, Glut: Mastering Information through the Ages. Joseph Henry Press (Wash.)

Re: [Fis] reactions to ...

2008-07-18 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Title: RE: [Fis] reactions to ... Dear colleagues, I am responding to Satn and adding a few items. Stanley Salthe wrote: When the water droplet "decides" on its motion, it may be receiving several strong dynamic influences (from the very local, to the most general: a punctual

[Fis] Msg From Joe Brenner, Re: reactions to ...

2008-07-21 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Colleagues and Friends, Pedro's conclusion, which I bring up from the bottom, is, I feel, a good starting point for further reflections. Somehow we are returning to the beginning of the discussion. I defend that the limitations of the individual are crucial for the structures and

[Fis] Streams of Order (and V)

2008-07-23 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS colleagues, The recent messages from Joe, Stan, and Bob Ulanowicz (and many previous ones), with whom I wholeheartedly agree, may evidence that the making of a new theory rarely occurs in isolation. Rather it depends on the support of colleagues, social networks and interactions

[Fis] The economics of Attention

2008-09-12 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS colleagues, A new course has started, in which hopefully we will re-assume exciting exchanges like in past months. For a starter, let me mention one of the books I went through this Summer: The Economics of Attention (Richard A. Lanham, Un. of Chicago Press, 20006), I think it has not

Re: [Fis] Neuroscience of art/optimization

2008-09-23 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS colleagues, First of all, let me welcome Sonu Bhaskar, and also John Onian, it is a pleasure reading their exciting contributions to the list. About the 10 universal laws of art by Ramachandran, well, reading the web reference kindly included by Sonu, one can see that the terms are

[Fis] The Fascination of Art

2008-10-02 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear colleagues, My impression is that when art is discussed form the point of view of scientific disciplines, the diminishing returns effect starts quite soon --as discussants we should be aware when overstretching is taking place and leading the theme astray... anyhow, kindness and abiding

Re: [Fis] The Fascination of Art

2008-10-07 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear colleagues, Maybe the social market aspects of art are inevitable outcomes, given the curious role it plays in human life. It is similar to what happens with science itself ---from an aloof nec-otium activity in its historical origins to the RD +i trite business of today. I would not

[Fis] informational economics?

2008-10-29 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS colleagues, Some aspects of the current financial crisis might be related to discussions we had in this list on information and the nature of economic flows years ago (economic networks, and also, central aspects of ecological ascendancy). The amazing growth of financial assets of

Re: [Fis] informational economics?, msg from Igor M.

2008-11-03 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
this e-mail, please consider environment protection. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pedro C. Marijuan Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:58 PM To: fis Subject: [Fis] informational economics? Dear FIS colleagues, Some aspects

Re: [Fis] informational economics? msg STan S.

2008-11-03 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
msg from Stan Salthe -- Pedro -- Dear John and colleagues, Thanks a lot for adding deep thought to my comments. I quite agree with your orientations and would make only a few further remarks. 1. Going beyond the equilibrium approaches of neoclassical economics is

[Fis] Information Studies in Spain

2008-11-14 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS colleagues, Apart of the ongoing discussion on the financial crisis, let me bring a pretty interesting piece on information Last week took place in Leon (North of Spain) an encounter on the unification of information theories, information concept, info science, etc. It was an

[Fis] FW: Economic modeling (from Igor M.)

2008-11-17 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
*From:* Igor Matutinović [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, November 17, 2008 10:24 AM *To:* 'fis' *Subject:* [Fis] Economic modeling Dear All one detail that refers to postive feedback dynamics: during the expansion phase of the business cycle competitive interactions and optimistic

[Fis] Symmetry Festival (msg from G.Darvas)

2008-12-01 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS colleagues, See the invitation below. It would be great if we can organize a FIS venue within the Symmetry Festival, as we did in other past events of different societies. The relationship between information and symmetry has not surfaced in our discussions very often, but it is one

[Fis] fis events--cognits

2008-12-04 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS colleagues, Real conferences are unique occasions where ideas and projects may fructify far more easily than just via electronic means. There might be some fis-related events next year, among them the Symmetry conference announced days ago. Well, in the last conference arranged in

[Fis] [Fwd: Castells' Logic of the Network Society] J.Brenner

2008-12-10 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Mensaje original Asunto: Castells' Logic of the Network Society Fecha: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:53:19 +0100 De: Joseph Brenner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Responder a:Joseph Brenner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pedro C. Marijuan [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Referencias

[Fis] Emerging Synthesis?

2009-01-15 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS colleagues, Notwithstanding the delay, Happy New Year to All! Although the year has not started terrificly (there have been negative news regarding the planned conference in Vienna, and also other organizing initiatives seem to be in stand by), it does not mean that things will go

[Fis] Denumerability of information (I)

2009-03-31 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
(message I, from Michel Petitjean about the contents of the COST Proposal) -- Dear All, I would just add two points: (1) In the paragraph: There is information in cells... it would be useful to add that information is stored in data banks as

[Fis] Denumerability of information (II)

2009-03-31 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
(message II, responses from Díaz Nafría and Rafael Capurro) -- Dear Michel: Thank you for your good remarks. I agree about both. Of course, data banks may be considered in the list. In any case, that list should be too long if it were exhaustive.

Re: [Fis] The notion of meaning... (impredicativity)

2009-04-02 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Thanks, Christophe. These days I am involved in a paper on prokaryotic intelligence, and have laterally approached the problem of cellular meaning. I am copying a fragment below (not corrected yet). Rosen's impredicativity looks to me an important concept to clarify things. However, rather

Re: [Fis] The notion of meaning... (impredicativity)

2009-04-06 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Christophe and Giuseppe, Thanks for the recent comments, really exciting . There is a direct connection between quantum unpicturability (but do not have here the proper reference; it is one of the simplifications which allows approaching chemical bonds by making them independent on the

[Fis] [Fwd: GSA conference news]

2009-05-07 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
(msg. from Leslie Sklair: 2009 Annual Global Studies Association conference) Dear Colleagues, can I bring the 2009 GSA annual conference to your attention. I am the president of this small scholarly association and we would very

[Fis] Neurodynamic Central Theory

2009-09-25 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS colleagues, Thanks to Karl and Joe for their responses. Sorry that I cannot answer them, but herein is the draft we are currently working in. We continue looking for partners (the easiest if they belong to the European Union). Comments are welcome... best wishes Pedro

[Fis] Definition of Knowledge?

2009-10-01 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FISers, I was asked several months ago, in the context of the Leon conference (BITrum interdisciplinary elucidation of the information concept, last June) to participate in the definition of some info-related concepts. Knowledge was one of them (if I am not wrong). After some trials I

[Fis] Knowledge recombination

2009-10-08 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear All, Let me remark some sentences from what John H publishes: And what's to say that cellular entities such as astrocytes, chaperone cells and telomeres are not also 'inferencing' in informational situations like calcium signalling, protein folding and cell ageing? Let alone my

Re: [Fis] Knowledge recombination/information states?

2009-10-13 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
, coherent excitation) at various levels of abstraction. This may be one way of tackling Christophe's recent question about 'meaning' while avoiding the hermeneutic circle and the labyrinth of traditional semantics. Best John H. *On Thu Oct 8 21:12 , Pedro C. Marijuan sent

[Fis] The Information Cluster

2009-10-27 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear All, My impression after the recent --and intense-- exchange on knowledge definition is that the discussion should also be centered in the quest for a new conceptual information cluster, globally, rather than trying to achieve consensus upon a single term, or proceeding term by term.

[Fis] TWO per wek

2009-12-01 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
AGAIN, LIST PARTICIPANTS ARE REMINDED THE DISCIPLINARY RULE OF TWO-MESSAGES-PER-WEEK. -- - Pedro C. Marijuán Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud Avda. Gómez Laguna, 25, Pl. 11ª 50009 Zaragoza.

[Fis] [Fwd: Fwd: Info Science Comments] Ted Goranson

2009-12-14 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
*From: *Ted Goranson t...@earlresearch.com mailto:t...@earlresearch.com *Date: *December 12, 2009 6:12:19 PM PST *To: *...@listas.unizar.es mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es *Subject: **Re: [Fis] Info Science Comments* Am I missing something? Jacob -- I have been absent for a good while

[Fis] FIS 2010 --Beijing

2010-02-05 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS colleagues, Preparations for a FIS 2010 venue in Beijing are advancing --thanks are due to Wolfgang and SoII colleagues. Hopefully, an official announcement will be circulated very soon. A few organizing items are advanced below. Interested germane societies are invited to appear in

[Fis] Welcome ---and Explaining Experience In Nature

2010-03-12 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS colleagues, Let me first welcome Dr. Zong-Rong Li and some other Chinese colleagues who have very recently joined the FIS list. The coming conference in Beijing is an exciting occasion in many regards, one of them to enlarge the fis community with scholars belonging to a very

[Fis] new in the list

2010-03-22 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FISers, Apart from the Zong-Rong Li and other Chinese colleagues, a couple of recent arrivals in the list include two very interesting fields: Jukka-Pekka Onnela, about communities and modularity in network science, Kevin Clark, about quantum approaches to primitive ( cellular)

Re: [Fis] Advances in Quantum Cell Biology and Natural Computing

2010-04-14 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Kevin ---and FIS colleagues, Thanks a lot for the impressive work. My only pity is that the lack of sufficient time to work harder on your text ---and references. I much agree with the idea of looking in depth not only for quantum molecular processes in living cells, but for the

[Fis] FIS 2010 --new web

2010-05-13 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FISers, Please, take note of the New Web for Beijing FIS 2010: http://www.sciforum.net/conf/fis2010 best ---Pedro - Pedro C. Marijuán Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud Avda. Gómez

[Fis] extended deadline FIS 2010

2010-05-21 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear colleagues, For those interested attending Beijing 2010, the deadline has been extended. See below. *Important dates:* · Deadline of Paper Submission: May 30, 2010 · Acceptance Notification: June 20, 2010 · Camera-Ready Paper: July 10, 2010 · Paper Collection

[Fis] Dr. Muguet obituary

2010-06-02 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear All, Sorry that this information has been received so late. Dr. Muguet, a good friend of FIS passed away last October. Participants in the FIS 2005 conference in Paris will remember him very well, as Dr. Francis Muguet was one of the organizers of the event, with Michel Petitjean, and

[Fis] curious chronicle

2010-07-12 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS colleagues, More than a soccer match? Please, have a glance at the chronicle below by Chris Matyszczyk (CBS): The world was running out of hope. Shame was grasping for glory, preparing to clutch it in its filthy hands, when up stepped a true hero. Andres Iniesta doesn't look like a

[Fis] [Fwd: Re: curious chronicle] J. Brenner

2010-07-13 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Mensaje original Asunto: Re: [Fis] curious chronicle Fecha: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 17:45:14 +0200 De: Joseph Brenner joe.bren...@bluewin.ch Para: Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es, fis@listas.unizar.es Referencias:4c3b279d.5030...@aragon.es Dear

Re: [Fis] Curious chronicle

2010-07-19 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FISers, Looking for an informational explanation of soccer, or other sports, as was asking Joseph, one can look at the internal side of the event. Then, as Jorge and Bob have done, one can discuss about the panorama of networking relationships or the ascendancy of the different elements.

Re: [Fis] Curious chronicle (msg. from J. Collier)

2010-07-20 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
of excitement because of their hormone mix. STAN On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es mailto:pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es wrote: Dear FISers, Looking for an informational explanation of soccer, or other sports, as was asking Joseph, one can look

Re: [Fis] Curious chronicle (msg. from Jacob Lee)

2010-07-21 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
(msg. to FIS from Jacob Lee) Richard Sipes' classic study found a direct correlation between combative sports and violent or war-like societies: SIPES, RICHARD G. 1973. War, Sports and Aggression: An Empirical Test of Two Rival Theories . American Anthropologist 75, no. 1: 64-86.

Re: [Fis] Curious chronicle

2010-07-21 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Rafael, Bob, and FIS Colleagues Thanks a lot for the erudite comment and the elegant Latin. I quite agree about that challenging aspect. However, I keep thinking that the whole new communication technologies are adding to the decreasing sociotype of individuals in todays' society. Like TV

Re: [Fis] Curious chronicle (msg. from R. Capurro)

2010-07-22 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Mensaje original Asunto: Re: [Fis] Curious chronicle (msg. from Jacob Lee) Fecha: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:49:20 +0200 De: Rafael Capurro raf...@capurro.de Responder a:raf...@capurro.de Para: Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es, fis@listas.unizar.es fis

[Fis] [Fwd: Re: Curious chronicle]

2010-07-22 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Mensaje original Asunto: Re: [Fis] Curious chronicle Fecha: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 15:32:39 +0200 De: Wolfgang Hofkirchner wolfgang.hofkirch...@tuwien.ac.at Para: Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es CC: fis@listas.unizar.es Referencias: 4c3c3ae4.8000

Re: [Fis] Curious chronicle

2010-07-22 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
communities? wolfgang http://hofkirchner.uti.at/ Am 21.07.2010 um 12:10 schrieb Pedro C. Marijuan: Dear Rafael, Bob, and FIS Colleagues Thanks a lot for the erudite comment and the elegant Latin. I quite agree about that challenging aspect. However, I keep thinking that the whole new communication

[Fis] Vacational Posting

2010-07-23 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FISers, During next weeks I will be away (some vacations plus the Beijing conference), unable thus to do any maintenance on the list messages. In order to avoid rejection by the spam filters here, take care of sending the messages directly as to and not as cc. In case of rejection, you

[Fis] Beijing FIS Group--Welcome!

2010-09-14 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Xueshan, Dear Beijing FIS Group, Dear FIS colleagues, Very exciting news! The Beijing FIS Group is cordially welcome into the FIS discussion list and Info Science community. It is an impressive array of scholars; I am sure we all will benefit from their reflections and contributions.

Re: [Fis] Beijing FIS Group

2010-09-16 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Xueshan and Beijing colleagues, After the salutation, given that the main business of the FIS list is discussion, let me make a few comments on your methodological point. 3. OUR COMMON VISION ON INFORMATION SCIENCE: Within the diversity of opinions of the group, a common position is

[Fis] Lauri Grohn--[Fwd: Re: Beijing FIS Group]

2010-09-17 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Mensaje original Asunto: Re: [Fis] Beijing FIS Group Fecha: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 10:06:30 +0300 De: Lauri Gröhn lauri.gr...@kolumbus.fi Para: Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es Referencias: 000301cb53b7$6af4f4b0$6400a...@viewsonic 4c923c73.3050

[Fis] ANNOUNCING THE NEW SESSION

2010-09-22 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS Colleagues, In a couple of days we will start the new discussion session: THE NATURE OF MICROPHYSICAL INFORMATION: REVISITING THE FLUCTUON MODEL chaired by: Kevin G. Kirby Chair, Department of Computer Science Northern Kentucky University, Highland Heights KY 41099 ki...@nku.edu

[Fis] Revisiting the Fluctuon Model

2010-09-24 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
*THE NATURE OF MICROPHYSICAL INFORMATION:* *REVISITING THE FLUCTUON MODEL* *Kevin G. Kirby *Department of Computer Science Northern Kentucky University (US) *Joseph Brenner* International Center for Transdisciplinary Research Paris (France) 1. OPENING REMARKS (Kevin Kirby) In the

[Fis] Revisiting the Fluctuon Model

2010-09-24 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
(The previous message was truncated, sorry. I am sending it again. ---P.) *THE NATURE OF MICROPHYSICAL INFORMATION:* *REVISITING THE FLUCTUON MODEL* *Kevin G. Kirby *Department of Computer Science Northern Kentucky University (US) *Joseph Brenner* International Center for Transdisciplinary

Re: [Fis] Revisiting the Fluctuon Model

2010-09-28 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FISers, Thanks to Kevin and Joseph for their excellent texts --and to the many other responding parties. For my own argumentation purposes I find very useful the comments from Stan, Kevin Clark, Koichiro. There are three different aspects I would like to deal with. Given my burden of

Re: [Fis] Revisiting... --From Dieter Gernert

2010-09-29 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
(herewith a very interesting text received off-line from a newcomer to our list --welcome Dieter!---Pedro) -- 1. For many years I highly estimate the work of Michael Conrad -- whom I never could see or hear in person. So the

[Fis] [Fwd: RE: Beijing FIS Group]--From Yan Xueshan

2010-10-04 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
discoveries behind the modern sciences by the title of Information, I personally admire very much Pedro C. Marijuan' words: “The advancement in the solution of this puzzling concept, entrenched into the foundations of numerous disciplines, may demand drastic changes in view” presented in First

[Fis] [Fwd: physics and information]-From Jacob Lee

2010-10-06 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Mensaje original Asunto: physics and information Fecha: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 19:23:34 -0700 (PDT) De: Jacob I Lee jacob...@csufresno.edu Para: Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es CC: fis@listas.unizar.es Hello, The recent discussion of the fluctuon

[Fis] [Fwd: replying to...]-From Guy Hoelzer

2010-10-06 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Mensaje original Asunto: [Fis] replying to Kevin and to Joseph Fecha: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 10:14:50 -0700 De: Guy A Hoelzer hoel...@unr.edu Para: Pedro Clemente Marijuan Fernandez pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es CC: Stanley N. Salthe ssal...@binghamton.edu Stan et

[Fis] [Fwd: replying to...]-From Guy Hoelzer

2010-10-06 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Mensaje original Asunto: [Fis] replying to Kevin and to Joseph Fecha: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 10:14:50 -0700 De: Guy A Hoelzer hoel...@unr.edu Para: Pedro Clemente Marijuan Fernandez pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es CC: Stanley N. Salthe ssal...@binghamton.edu Stan et

[Fis] Recapping the discussion?

2010-10-07 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS colleagues, A usual practice in past chaired discussions is that after the first round of debates, after three weeks or so like in the current session, the chairs recap the discussion by refocusing it on the most salient or relevant aspects, or just by pointing to some unnoticed

Re: [Fis] Recapping the discussion? Joseph's Recap

2010-10-15 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
made /since/ Prigogine, such as the catastrophe theory of Thom and Petitot (itself rather outdated). Best wishes, Joseph - Original Message - From: Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es To: fis@listas.unizar.es Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 1:37 PM Subject: [Fis

[Fis] Towards a New Session

2010-11-03 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FISers Many thanks to Joseph for his creative colophon to the current discussion session and for his diligent chairing --thanks to Kevin for his cooperation too. We are heading now towards a new discussion session, on INTELLIGENCE AND INFORMATION. It will be chaired by Professor

[Fis] [Fwd: Discussion Colophon] From J.Brenner

2010-11-04 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Para: Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es, fis fis@listas.unizar.es Dear All, Pedro has asked me to renew with an earlier FIS Group practice and write a colophon for our discussion of the fluctuon model of Michael Conrad. Actually, not much has happened with regard to evidence

[Fis] INTELLIGENCE INFORMATION (by Y.X.Zhong)

2010-11-05 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
*Intelligence and Information* *Yi-Xin-Zhong* /Beijing// University of Posts and Telecommunications, Beijing100876, China/ yxzh...@ieee.org * 1. The Study of Intelligence Science * Intelligence has been very well regarded as the most valuable wealth for mankind, compared with other

[Fis] [Fwd: replying to colophon ] By John Collier

2010-11-08 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
This message from John Collier after the colophon of the past discussion was rejected by the server last Friday; discussants willing to respond are kindly asked to do it off line. Pedro -

Re: [Fis] INTELLIGENCE INFORMATION (by Y.X.Zhong)

2010-11-09 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Yixin and FIS colleagues, (at fis discussions the costume is to use first names!) Many thanks for your scholarly text. At first glance one can think that you have multiplied the problems: we barely cope with the information science discussion and now you ask us adding the scientific

Re: [Fis] INTELLIGENCE INFORMATION (by Y.X.Zhong)

2010-11-12 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS colleagues, It is quite nice reading along the messages of this new discussion session. In particular, Krassimir's posting is very interesting for me in two senses. It represents an important research community of information scientists/engineering practitioners (strong in Easter

Re: [Fis] fis Digest, Vol 543, Issue 19

2010-11-19 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear John and FIS colleages, I much agree (below) with the return to the biological; also Gordana and Raquel had already argued along these guidelines. It does not mean that things become very much clearer initially in the connection between information and intelligence, but there is room for

Re: [Fis] fis Digest, Vol 543, Issue 19

2010-11-22 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS colleagues, very briefly stated (ugh, no spare time, devoured by ugly application forms!), I think that quantification as Guy demands can only occur in some small corners of our discussion areas, but not in the fundamental ideas, not well crafted yet. For instance, I take from a

[Fis] Doctrine of Limitation

2010-11-26 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FISers, Thanks to Christophe for his agents narrative and to Joseph for openly buying populational thinking and the doctrine of limitation. As for the narrative, I concur that the link between intelligence and info implies the introduction of some agent thinking --what kind of agent and

[Fis] New people in the FIS List

2010-11-30 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS colleagues, this is to welcome (most of) the participants at the Beijing 2010 FIS conference. Actually all of them were already inscribed in late August, but due to a system failure a number of addresses disappeared (as I have accidentally discovered very recently!!). Sorry about

Re: [Fis] Doctrine of Limitation. Starting Points

2010-12-01 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Joseph, Walter, Stan... FIS colleagues, Following the track of dissipative systems and the prebiotic or biotic conditions of cellular organization is fine. But concerning the connection between information and intelligence (somehow still responding to Yixin's first question) other tracks

[Fis] [Fwd: Gerald O'Grady on McLuhan]

2010-12-03 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Great posting received from Bob Logan, about the Centennial of Marshal McLuhan. No doubt that in the human realm McLuhan has been one of the most advanced thinkers on information and intelligence; indeed the great pioneer in social information science. ---Pedro Mensaje original

Re: [Fis] reply to Javorsky. Plea for (responsible) trialism

2010-12-10 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Stan and colleagues, Taking it literally, isn't it a pure contradiction, an oxymoron, attempting a scientific mythology? The mythos is the way of knowing purely based on tradition and on the firmest doubtlessness, where the source of authority comes only from magnificent ancestors...

[Fis] Closing Comments?

2010-12-15 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
FIS Friends, Like in most of our excursions, in the present one we have stumbled upon a very interesting and exciting attractor. Rather than throwing ourselves into a deep discussion about the modes of social knowing and their historical interrelationship my suggestion is that we sidestep

Re: [Fis] Closing Comments?

2010-12-20 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS colleagues, Well, I am making a try on those tough questions... Q1. What is the correct concept of intelligence? It should refer to entities with capability to adjust (adapt) their inner processes and configurations to their environment, either following an autopoietic life cycle or

Re: [Fis] Closing Comments? From Qiao T.Q.

2010-12-21 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
An interesting message from Qiao Tian-qing Note: attachments are not much welcome by the host server of this list. --P. Mensaje original Asunto: I agree with you Fecha: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 10:52:38 +0800 De: whhbs...@sina.com Para: pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es

[Fis] [Fwd: Karl is all right, too...but] Msg From QTQ

2011-01-03 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
for the disciplinary development --i.e., what cannot be defined, in the present case. ---Pedro Mensaje original Asunto: Karl is all right, too. but Fecha: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 22:04:28 +0800 De: whhbs...@sina.com Para: Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es Dear Pedro Karl

[Fis] Future discussions

2011-01-18 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS Colleagues, Thanks to Yixin for his Colophon. I was a nice way to close the past discussion session on Intelligence and Information and to reconnect with our mail exchanges in this New Year. As for the coming sessions, there are a few commitments and possibilities prepared. --Theme:

[Fis] Future discussions (of the Past?) --From Jerry Chandler

2011-01-20 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Message From Jerry Chandler - (Please post to FIS) Pedro, List: Your proposal to discuss the historical foundations of social information processing is welcomed. One of the frequent erroneous presuppositions of past discussions of FIS has been the implicit adoption

[Fis] Ostension and the Chemical / Molecular Biological Science

2011-01-20 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Message From Jerry Chandler --- (Please post to FIS) List, Stan: Are you serious about taking up scientific ostension? A. Lavoisier was the first to apply a systematic theory of information to ostensive but invisible and indivisible relations within

Re: [Fis] Ostension and the Chemical / Molecular Biological Science. FROM STAN

2011-01-21 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
that there is no objective evidence that the world apart from us, is logical. STAN -- On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:00 AM, Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es mailto:pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es wrote: Message From Jerry Chandler (Please post to FIS

[Fis] ongoing discussion

2011-01-24 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear colleagues, Current discussants are kindly reminded that this is a very austere list: POSTING IS RESTRICTED TO TWO MESSAGES PER WEEK. Also, new people entering into the list are supposed to briefly self-introduce themselves. Sorry about the interruption--keep your best arguments for the

[Fis] comments next session

2011-01-27 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS colleagues, I found very intriguing the fast furious messages of past days. One of the main triggers, I think, was Karl's response to Joseph's requests on his info theory... The logic of distinctions that Karl worked out years ago was in my view an outstanding contribution (the use

[Fis] preparations

2011-01-28 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS colleagues, The next session is already arranged: James will start in around one week The Background to Modern Science (the announcement very soon). For the the following discussion about info theory, the idea is that we explore a new modality, discussion express. Rather than spending

[Fis] [Fwd: Info Theory]--From Krassimir Markov

2011-01-31 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
*From:* Krassimir Markov mailto:mar...@foibg.com *Sent:* Sunday, January 30, 2011 2:13 AM *To:* fis@listas.unizar.es mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es *Subject:* Re: [Fis] Info Theory Dear Colleagues, In the beginning of the XX-th century (approximately 100 years ago!) the great Bulgarian poet

[Fis] Announcing the New Session

2011-01-31 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FISers We are heading now towards a new discussion session, on *BACKGROUND TO MODERN SCIENCE.* It will be chaired by *Dr. James Hannan*. James Hannam has a BA in Physics from the University of Oxford and a PhD in the History and Philosophy of Science from the University of Cambridge.

[Fis] [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Info Theory]--From John Collier

2011-01-31 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
or experientially appealing. John At 01:22 PM 1/31/2011, Pedro C. Marijuan wrote: *From:* Krassimir Markov mailto:mar...@foibg.com *Sent:* Sunday, January 30, 2011 2:13 AM *To:* fis@listas.unizar.es mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es *Subject:* Re: [Fis] Info Theory  Dear Colleagues, Â

Re: [Fis] The Background to Modern Science--From Krassimir Markov

2011-02-04 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Message from Krassimir Markov: --- a response to *The Background to Modern Science* *Introduction* The interrelations between scientific and non-scientific creating and perceiving the information and information models as well the

Re: [Fis] Background to Modern Science--From James Hannam

2011-02-07 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Msg. From James Hannam b...@bede.org.uk -- * *Absences?** Joseph and Pedro brought up three subjects between them that impinge on the origins of modern science which I said little about. * * *Logic* As Joseph

[Fis] [Fwd: Foundational Views of Shannon Information Theory]--From Jerry Chandler

2011-02-08 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Note: a session on information theory is programmed just after the current one. Info theorists discussants are kindle requested to wait a little and keep on the present track. ---Pedro -- *Message

Re: [Fis] [Fwd: Foundational Views of Shannon Information Theory]--From Gavin Ritz

2011-02-10 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Message from Gavin Ritz This is a very good post Jerry. The problem is the science has not got to grips with most of logic, * Declarative logic yes, (built on this)- True, false statements * Imperative logic: no, *

[Fis] (Monastic) Background to Modern Science

2011-02-10 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear James ( Krassimir, Jerry...) and all FIS colleagues, I tend to disagree with James about the relatively minor role assigned to monasteries in the development of medieval science and technology. Let me ad a couple of further arguments: 1. Social complexity. Some FISers will remind Joseph

[Fis] [Fwd: The Backround of Modern Science]---Karl

2011-02-15 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Form Karl (complete message) Further to Leonardo and why the outsider - he who proposes a wholly unusual idea - does better to remain in the dark. The reality concept is different between the avant-garde and the main body. They live in

[Fis] (Monastic) Background to Modern Science]--Bob Ulanowicz

2011-02-15 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
- Quoting Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es: Dear James ( Krassimir, Jerry...) and all FIS colleagues, I tend to disagree with James about the relatively minor role assigned to monasteries in the development of medieval

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