Re: [Fis] [Fwd: RE: It from Bit redux . . . MODERATION] From Xueshan
Cari Tutti, la neg-entropia (energia libera o INFORMAZIONE in condizione di dis-equilibrio improbabile) di Che cos'è la vita? La cellula vivente dal punto di vista fisico di Erving Schrodinger e la evaporazione di INFORMAZIONE di Stephan Hawking che compensa l'asimmetria tra entropia interna (minore) e l'entropia esterna (maggiore) dei buchi neri dove le mettiamo? Scusate la domanda. Francesco Rizzo 2015-06-16 14:12 GMT+02:00 Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es: Original Message Subject: RE: [Fis] It from Bit redux . . . MODERATION Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 16:45:59 +0800 From: Xueshan Yan y...@pku.edu.cn y...@pku.edu.cn Reply-To: y...@pku.edu.cn y...@pku.edu.cn Organization: CHINA To: 'Pedro C. Marijuan' pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es == Dear Pedro, Joseph, John, Krassimir, Rafael, and All, Here I tell you some interesting stories about “It from Bit” in China. Around the year of 2000, The Seminar of Interdisciplinary Information Science of Peking University came into contact for the first time with Wheeler’s “It from Bit”, in fact, earlier this theory, we had just discussed Stonier’s “Information Physics” and had consulted with the Dean of Physics School, his opinion was: The concept ENTROPY is enough to physics, it is unnecessary to blunder in the fashion of information for physicists. Of course, that was over fifteen years ago. We afterwards had been tracking this information problem in Science of China History; So far, we found there are at least four doctrines related to “It from Bit”. 1. It from Taiji. Zhou Wenwang (Ji Chang), see his book: “The Book of Changes” (Yijing or Zhouyi), B.C. 1050; 2. It from Dao. Laozi. see his book: “Tao Te Ching” (Daodejing), B.C. 500; 3. The world is composed of information. Xinxi Shen, see his book: “Informatilism”, 2005; 4. The world is informational. Jianghuo Wang, see his book: “Unified Information Theory”, 2012. To my knowledge, the last two authors had not contacted Wheeler’s “It from Bit”, that Ji Chang and Laozi had no contacted with it is very obvious. In all his lifetime, Wheeler once visited China only one time in 1981, when he stayed in China, he watched a Beijing Opera named “Feng Ming Qi Shan”. When a general hold a flag on which a large Chinese word appeared, he asked the accompany that what is the meaning of that word, they told him its meaning is NOTHING, he said excitedly: The answer what I am looking for desperately all my life about the physical reality, your ancestors had originally given thousands years ago. (see his book: “Wheeler’s Lectures on Physics and Austerity”, 1982). So far, on the argument of “It from Bit”, we can not prove it is correct, but can not prove it is wrong too. Best wishes, Xueshan 16:18, June 16, 2015 Peking University - ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
Re: [Fis] [Fwd: RE: It from Bit redux . . . MODERATION] From Xueshan
Dear Francesco， That is all his private, there can't be many people who agree with that saying, please just skip it! Xueshan _ From: fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Francesco Rizzo Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 10:38 PM To: Pedro C. Marijuan Cc: fis Subject: Re: [Fis] [Fwd: RE: It from Bit redux . . . MODERATION] From Xueshan Cari Tutti, la neg-entropia (energia libera o INFORMAZIONE in condizione di dis-equilibrio improbabile) di Che cos'è la vita? La cellula vivente dal punto di vista fisico di Erving Schrodinger e la evaporazione di INFORMAZIONE di Stephan Hawking che compensa l'asimmetria tra entropia interna (minore) e l'entropia esterna (maggiore) dei buchi neri dove le mettiamo? Scusate la domanda. Francesco Rizzo == Dear Pedro, Joseph, John, Krassimir, Rafael, and All, Here I tell you some interesting stories about “It from Bit” in China. Around the year of 2000, The Seminar of Interdisciplinary Information Science of Peking University came into contact for the first time with Wheeler’s “It from Bit”, in fact, earlier this theory, we had just discussed Stonier’s “Information Physics” and had consulted with the Dean of Physics School, his opinion was: The concept ENTROPY is enough to physics, it is unnecessary to blunder in the fashion of information for physicists. Of course, that was over fifteen years ago. We afterwards had been tracking this information problem in Science of China History; So far, we found there are at least four doctrines related to “It from Bit”. 1. It from Taiji. Zhou Wenwang (Ji Chang), see his book: “The Book of Changes” (Yijing or Zhouyi), B.C. 1050; 2. It from Dao. Laozi. see his book: “Tao Te Ching” (Daodejing), B.C. 500; 3. The world is composed of information. Xinxi Shen, see his book: “Informatilism”, 2005; 4. The world is informational. Jianghuo Wang, see his book: “Unified Information Theory”, 2012. To my knowledge, the last two authors had not contacted Wheeler’s “It from Bit”, that Ji Chang and Laozi had no contacted with it is very obvious. In all his lifetime, Wheeler once visited China only one time in 1981, when he stayed in China, he watched a Beijing Opera named “Feng Ming Qi Shan”. When a general hold a flag on which a large Chinese word appeared, he asked the accompany that what is the meaning of that word, they told him its meaning is NOTHING, he said excitedly: The answer what I am looking for desperately all my life about the physical reality, your ancestors had originally given thousands years ago. (see his book: “Wheeler’s Lectures on Physics and Austerity”, 1982). So far, on the argument of “It from Bit”, we can not prove it is correct, but can not prove it is wrong too. Best wishes, Xueshan 16:18, June 16, 2015 Peking University - ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
Re: [Fis] [Fwd: RE: It from Bit redux . . . MODERATION] From Xueshan
Dear Rafael， Many Daoism contain some science thinking not only philosophy one in ancient China，so my opinion is：“It from Bit” just likes“It from Taiji”or“It from Dao” in certain degree There are thousands of people who had been debating them for hundreds of years，no explicit or consistent answer can be given even today At present time, if FIS colleagues always are involved in this endless controversy, our endeavor may end fruitlessly. Xueshan 23:18, June 16, 2015 Peking University _ From: Rafael Capurro [mailto:raf...@capurro.de] Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 11:31 PM To: y...@pku.edu.cn Subject: Re: [Fis] [Fwd: RE: It from Bit redux . . . MODERATION] From Xueshan Dear Xueshan Yan, just for you: your thoughts in information and DAO are very important as I told you (?) in Vienna. But this is not an issue for scientists. It is a issue for philosophers, poets... best Rafael Dear Francesco， That is all his private, there can't be many people who agree with that saying, please just skip it! Xueshan _ From: fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Francesco Rizzo Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 10:38 PM To: Pedro C. Marijuan Cc: fis Subject: Re: [Fis] [Fwd: RE: It from Bit redux . . . MODERATION] From Xueshan Cari Tutti, la neg-entropia (energia libera o INFORMAZIONE in condizione di dis-equilibrio improbabile) di Che cos'è la vita? La cellula vivente dal punto di vista fisico di Erving Schrodinger e la evaporazione di INFORMAZIONE di Stephan Hawking che compensa l'asimmetria tra entropia interna (minore) e l'entropia esterna (maggiore) dei buchi neri dove le mettiamo? Scusate la domanda. Francesco Rizzo == Dear Pedro, Joseph, John, Krassimir, Rafael, and All, Here I tell you some interesting stories about “It from Bit” in China. Around the year of 2000, The Seminar of Interdisciplinary Information Science of Peking University came into contact for the first time with Wheeler’s “It from Bit”, in fact, earlier this theory, we had just discussed Stonier’s “Information Physics” and had consulted with the Dean of Physics School, his opinion was: The concept ENTROPY is enough to physics, it is unnecessary to blunder in the fashion of information for physicists. Of course, that was over fifteen years ago. We afterwards had been tracking this information problem in Science of China History; So far, we found there are at least four doctrines related to “It from Bit”. 1. It from Taiji. Zhou Wenwang (Ji Chang), see his book: “The Book of Changes” (Yijing or Zhouyi), B.C. 1050; 2. It from Dao. Laozi. see his book: “Tao Te Ching” (Daodejing), B.C. 500; 3. The world is composed of information. Xinxi Shen, see his book: “Informatilism”, 2005; 4. The world is informational. Jianghuo Wang, see his book: “Unified Information Theory”, 2012. To my knowledge, the last two authors had not contacted Wheeler’s “It from Bit”, that Ji Chang and Laozi had no contacted with it is very obvious. In all his lifetime, Wheeler once visited China only one time in 1981, when he stayed in China, he watched a Beijing Opera named “Feng Ming Qi Shan”. When a general hold a flag on which a large Chinese word appeared, he asked the accompany that what is the meaning of that word, they told him its meaning is NOTHING, he said excitedly: The answer what I am looking for desperately all my life about the physical reality, your ancestors had originally given thousands years ago. (see his book: “Wheeler’s Lectures on Physics and Austerity”, 1982). So far, on the argument of “It from Bit”, we can not prove it is correct, but can not prove it is wrong too. Best wishes, Xueshan 16:18, June 16, 2015 Peking University - ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis -- Prof.em. Dr. Rafael Capurro Hochschule der Medien (HdM), Stuttgart, Germany Capurro Fiek Foundation for Information Ethics (http://www.capurro-fiek-foundation.org) Distinguished Researcher at the African Centre of Excellence for Information Ethics (ACEIE), Department of Information Science, University of Pretoria, South Africa. Chair, International Center for Information Ethics (ICIE) (http://icie.zkm.de) Editor in Chief, International Review of Information Ethics (IRIE) (http://www.i-r-i-e.net) Postal Address: Redtenbacherstr. 9, 76133 Karlsruhe, Germany E-Mail: raf...@capurro.de Voice: + 49 - 721 - 98 22 9 - 22 (Fax: -21) Homepage: www.capurro.de ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
