[Fis] Denumerability of information (I)

2009-03-31 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
(message I, from Michel Petitjean about the contents of the COST Proposal)
--

Dear All,

I would just add two points:

(1) In the paragraph:  There is information in cells... 
it would be useful to add that information is stored in
data banks as results of measures etc., and that data
mining techniques, which are primarily intended to retrieve
information in databanks, concerns us.
Data banks and data mining are thus relevant keywords.

(2) There was recently a debate on the FIS forum about the
nature of information in respect to its denumerability:
- We can say that there are many informations, and so we can count 
informations
- We can say that there is much information and information is not 
denumerable
I would like to hear discussions about this deep aspect of the nature of 
information.
Raphael Capurro and other contributors have given interesting thoughts 
about it.
But behind that there is a crucial problem to solve.

Best regards,

Michel.


 Message d'origine
De: joe.y.ento...@gmail.com de la part de José María Díaz Nafría
Date: ven. 27/03/2009 15:10
À: Elisabeth Buchanan; Capurro, Rafael; Fleissner, Peter; Floridi, 
Luciano; Fuchs, Christian; Birger Hjørland; Hofkirchner, Wolfgang; 
Marijuán, Pedro; PETITJEAN Michel; Paco Salto; Pérez-Montoro Gutiérrez, 
Mario
Objet : COST-preliminary proposal / apologies
 
Dear friends:

   First of all -please- let me apologize for my long and unpardonable
delay. But since Wednesday, we saw that in order to properly apply to
the national funding we had to apply not only to COST but also to
EUROCORES (of the European Science Foundation). Although the COST
application is much shorter than the other this forced us to
articulate them so that no friction is produced between the three
proposals (national, Cost and Eurocores). That forced us to work
through the loneliness and tiredness of nights. We bring you now the
preliminary proposal for COST. If you disagree somehow, or find any
improvement, please let us know, and consider -in any case- that a
more consistent proposal will be elaborated in a further stage if this
is approved. If your improvements arrive after the deadline, these
will be incorporated afterwards if we are lucky enough. At this stage
the names of the members will not be considered, but only that a
minimal number of cost-countries are represented.

Hereby, I append the plain text of the proposal. Let me now
appreciate your patience and receive our most cordial gratitude and
greetings,

__

SCIENTIFIC CONTENT

* Proposal title

Interdisciplinary elucidation of the information concept. Theories,
Metaphores and Applications

* Abstract

This interdisciplinary research focus on the very concept(s) of
information, and aims at unifying perspectives and integrating
techniques from different fields of knowledge and practice. This
proposal is based on an already active interdisciplinar European
community. We investigate which are, if any, the basic distinct
notions of information to be applied in fields from telecommunication
to philosophy, from biology to documentation, from logic to quantum
physics. Which are, if any, the alternative ways of measuring
information? Which concepts of content are primitive? Which values
does practice of information technology presuppose? The project works
within a broad theoretical perspective in which alternative specific
presuppositions and interests are considered. No particular
theoretical agenda is presupposed.

The proposed COST action enhances communication and collaboration
within our merging interdisciplinar community. We have already
developed a number of meetings, webs and collaborative tools,
including an international Glossary on Information concepts, theories
and metaphors, conceptual maps and a repository on information
concepts. This action may improve the actual collaborarion and
facilitate the participation of further european researchers and
institutions.

Participants in the action are main researchers in relevant fields
from distinct European institutions. Moreover, the project itself
-even without the action- counts with an ellaborate working
methodology, which includes disciplinar, collaborative and global
levels of research. This methodology will improve and benefit from the
proposed COST action.

* Key Words (400 chr)

Information, Informational content, Information Measure, Information
Science, Philosophy of Information, Bioinformation, Information
Technologies, Information Ethics

* Cost Domain

Trans Domain Proposal
Domains covered:
- Biomedicine and Molecular Biosciences
- Individuals, societies, cultures and Health
- Information and Communications Technologies
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* Text of proposal

A) BACKGROUND, PROBLEMS

In contrast with the population in the iron age, who had no chance to
understand the concept of iron, we are able in the 

Re: [Fis] Denumerability of information (I)

2009-03-31 Thread Stanley Salthe
Addressing Michel's posting -- I would interpret 'denumerability' as 
used here as an externalist concept, compared with 'amount' of 
information (this amount left vague) as being closer to the 
internalist view that might be held within the cell itself. 
Scientists may try to assess how much information (defined in some 
way) a cell contains, but a cell would likely not be doing this.  It 
is, curiously, supposed the telomere ends of chromosomes are 
'counting' the number of cell divisions these chromosomes have 
experienced as the cell lineage ages.

STAN

(message I, from Michel Petitjean about the contents of the COST Proposal)
--

Dear All,

I would just add two points:

(1) In the paragraph:  There is information in cells... 
it would be useful to add that information is stored in
data banks as results of measures etc., and that data
mining techniques, which are primarily intended to retrieve
information in databanks, concerns us.
Data banks and data mining are thus relevant keywords.

(2) There was recently a debate on the FIS forum about the
nature of information in respect to its denumerability:
- We can say that there are many informations, and so we can count
informations
- We can say that there is much information and information is not
denumerable
I would like to hear discussions about this deep aspect of the nature of
information.
Raphael Capurro and other contributors have given interesting thoughts
about it.
But behind that there is a crucial problem to solve.

Best regards,

Michel.



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