Re: [Fis] INFORMATION: JUST A MATTER OF MATH

2017-09-23 Thread Karl Javorszky
t; > > >Koichiro Matsuno > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Fis [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] *On Behalf Of *Terrence > W. DEACON > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 19, 2017 1:26 AM > *To:* Foundations of Information Science Information Science < > Fis@list

Re: [Fis] INFORMATION: JUST A MATTER OF MATH

2017-09-19 Thread Koichiro Matsuno
...@listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Terrence W. DEACON Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 1:26 AM To: Foundations of Information Science Information Science <Fis@listas.unizar.es> Subject: Re: [Fis] INFORMATION: JUST A MATTER OF MATH All of these claims and counter-claims are null hypo

Re: [Fis] INFORMATION: JUST A MATTER OF MATH

2017-09-18 Thread Lars-Göran Johansson
18 sep. 2017 kl. 18:25 skrev Terrence W. DEACON >: All of these claims and counter-claims are null hypotheses - hypothetical axioms yet to be tested, both for logical coherence and empirical usefulness. Place your bets. Mine are on contrary

Re: [Fis] INFORMATION: JUST A MATTER OF MATH

2017-09-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Sep 2017, at 18:25, Terrence W. DEACON wrote: All of these claims and counter-claims are null hypotheses - hypothetical axioms yet to be tested, both for logical coherence and empirical usefulness. Place your bets. Mine are on contrary assumptions: i.e. non-Turing computability,

Re: [Fis] INFORMATION: JUST A MATTER OF MATH

2017-09-18 Thread Terrence W. DEACON
All of these claims and counter-claims are null hypotheses - hypothetical axioms yet to be tested, both for logical coherence and empirical usefulness. Place your bets. Mine are on contrary assumptions: i.e. non-Turing computability, fundamental incompleteness, and a deep entanglement between

Re: [Fis] INFORMATION: JUST A MATTER OF MATH

2017-09-16 Thread Francesco Rizzo
Cari Tutti, per com-prendere l'esistenza e la conoscenza esiste un'unica legge: quella dell'informazione. Materia, energia, spazio, tempo, etc., non sono altro che informazione materiale, informazione energetica, informazione spaziale, informazione temporale, etc. Sono pervenuto anch'io (ma non

Re: [Fis] INFORMATION: JUST A MATTER OF MATH

2017-09-16 Thread Mark Johnson
Dear Arturo, all, First of all, thank you to Pedro for exciting the list again - I was missing it! I have sympathy with Arturo's position, not because I am a mathematician (I'm not), but because I get tired of the "posturing" that qualitative positions produce among academics. I work in

Re: [Fis] INFORMATION: JUST A MATTER OF MATH

2017-09-16 Thread Christophe Menant
vendredi 15 septembre 2017 20:25 À : Foundations of Information Science Information Science Cc : tozziart...@libero.it Objet : Re: [Fis] INFORMATION: JUST A MATTER OF MATH I agree with Arturo. I understand information exclusively as matter and energy, and the diversity of their states through space

Re: [Fis] INFORMATION: JUST A MATTER OF MATH

2017-09-15 Thread Guy A Hoelzer
I agree with Arturo. I understand information exclusively as matter and energy, and the diversity of their states through space/time. What else it there? The alternative would be to accept ‘information’ as merely an heuristic concept that helps us to communicate and make sense of our lives

Re: [Fis] INFORMATION: JUST A MATTER OF MATH

2017-09-15 Thread Michel Petitjean
Dear Pedro, dear Arturo and dear FISers, Thank you Pedro for these 10 principles of information science. Even if it happens that somebody could disagree with some of these principles, at least these 10 principles exist and they constitute a suitable basis (if not a reference) for further

Re: [Fis] INFORMATION: JUST A MATTER OF MATH

2017-09-15 Thread Jose Javier Blanco Rivero
Dear Arturo, Math is indeed a language that CAN describe scientific issues, but it is not the only one. And its ability to cuantify scientific issues do not necesarily make it superior. Math and natural language face the same formal and logical problems: they cannot make staments about themselves

[Fis] INFORMATION: JUST A MATTER OF MATH

2017-09-15 Thread tozziart...@libero.it
Dear FISers, I'm sorry for bothering you, but I start not to agree from the very first principles. The only language able to describe and quantify scientific issues is mathematics.Without math, you do not have observables, and information is observable. Therefore, information IS energy or