018 11:20 上午To: ZouXiaohui
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Re: [Fis] A Paradox
Many thanks Zou.
Syed
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Subject: Re: [Fis] A Paradox
Many thanks Zou.
Syed
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kindly. The most simple example from genetics is: an egg cell
>> accepts a sperm cell, a fertilized egg contains a set of effective genetic
>> information from paternal and maternal cell, here information transmission
>> has taken place, but is there any "meaning" and "exp
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anation of this paradox so
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> Best wishes,
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> Xueshan
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 27, 2018 8:10 PM
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> *Cc:* Terrence W. DEACON
Thank you!
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>> Best wish!
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>> Zou Xiaohui
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>> *From:* Syed Ali <doctorsyedal...@gmail.com>
>> *Date:* 周一,3月 5,2018 4:26 上午
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> *Cc:* 闫学杉 <y...@pku.edu.cn>, fis <fis@listas.unizar.es>
> *Subject:* Re: [Fis] A Paradox
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> Dear Colleagues:
> Could you critique a view: Information is the container of meaning ?
> Syed
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Zou Xiaohui
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> From: "Mark Johnson" <johnsonm...@gmail.com>
> To: "Loet Leydesdorff" <l...@leydesdorff.net>
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Søren
From: Fis [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Xueshan Yan
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Subject: Re: [Fis] A Paradox
Dear Dai, Søren, Karl, Sung, Syed, Stan, Terry, and Loet,
I am sorry to reply you late, but I have thor
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Sent: 3/4/2018 1:03:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Fis] A Paradox
Dear Loet, all,
I agree with this. Our construction of reality is never that of a
single system: t
ther context like plant or molecule or cell etc., this is the
> key we dissolve the paradox.
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> In general, I have not seen any effective explanation of this paradox so
> far.
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> Best wishes,
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> Xueshan
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> *From:* Syed Ali [mailto:doctorsyedal...@g
olar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYJ=en
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From: "Xueshan Yan" <y...@pku.edu.cn>
To: "FIS Group" <fis@listas.unizar.es>
Sent: 3/4/2018 2:17:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Fis] A Paradox
Dear Dai, Søren, Karl, Sung, Syed, Stan, Terry, and Loet,
seen any effective explanation of this paradox so far.
Best wishes,
Xueshan
From: Syed Ali [mailto:doctorsyedal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 8:10 PM
To: Sungchul Ji <s...@pharmacy.rutgers.edu>
Cc: Terrence W. DEACON <dea...@berkeley.edu>; Xueshan Yan <y...@p
1:13 PM
To: Xueshan Yan
Cc: FIS Group
Subject: Re: [Fis] A Paradox
It is so easy to get into a muddle mixing technical uses of a term with
colloquial uses, and add a dash of philosophy and discipline-specific
terminology and it becomes mental quicksand. Terms like 'information' and
'me
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Subject: Re[2]: [Fis] A Paradox
Dear Soren,
I agree with Stan's wording, but your wording is ambiguous. The meaning is not
biologically given, but constructed in a discourse among biologists. The
discourse can also be theological and then one obtai
It is so easy to get into a muddle mixing technical uses of a term with
colloquial uses, and add a dash of philosophy and discipline-specific
terminology and it becomes mental quicksand. Terms like 'information' and
'meaning" easily lead us into these sorts of confusions because they have
so many
http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYJ=en
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From: "Søren Brier" <sbr@cbs.dk>
To: "Stanley N Salthe" <ssal...@binghamton.edu>; "fis"
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Sent: 2/26/2018 6:41:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Fis] A P
. februar 2018 16:19
To: Søren Brier <sbr@cbs.dk>; fis <fis@listas.unizar.es>
Subject: Re: [Fis] A Paradox
Following upon Søren: Meaning is derived for a system by way of
Interpretation. The transmitted information has no meaning without
interpretation.
STAN
On Mon, Feb 26, 201
Following upon Søren: Meaning is derived for a system by way of
Interpretation. The transmitted information has no meaning without
interpretation.
STAN
On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 6:26 AM, Søren Brier wrote:
> Dear Xueshan
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> The solution to the paradox is to go to a
Dear Xueshan,
let us work thru your Armenia paradox. It says:
" Suppose an earthquake occurred in Armenia last night and all of the main
media of the world have given the report about it. On the second day, two
students A and B are putting forward a dialogue facing the newspaper
headline
Dear Xueshan
The solution to the paradox is to go to a metaparadigm that can encompass
information science as well as linguistics. C.S. Peirce's semiotics is such a
paradigm especially if you can integrate cybernetics and systems theory with
it. There is a summary of the framework of
Dear Xueshan,
You ask "how should we understand this paradox?"
I suggest that we start by looking at what it might mean for information
or meaning to be 'contained' in a sentence. Lakoff would have told us
that this is a metaphor, and specifically the pervasive 'container
metaphor'.
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