Re: [Fis] Causation is transfer of information

2017-03-30 Thread Hector Zenil
ty of KwaZulu-Natal > > http://web.ncf.ca/collier > > > > *From:* Guy A Hoelzer [mailto:hoel...@unr.edu] > *Sent:* Wednesday, 29 March 2017 1:44 AM > *To:* Sungchul Ji <s...@pharmacy.rutgers.edu>; Terry Deacon < > dea...@berkeley.edu>; John Collier <colli...@ukzn.

Re: [Fis] Causation is transfer of information

2017-03-30 Thread John Collier
: Wednesday, 29 March 2017 11:00 AM To: Terrence W. DEACON <dea...@berkeley.edu> Cc: fis <fis@listas.unizar.es> Subject: Re: [Fis] Causation is transfer of information With all due respect, I am still amazed how it is so much ignored and neglected all the science and math around informati

Re: [Fis] Causation is transfer of information

2017-03-30 Thread Sungchul Ji
John Collier Cc: fis Subject: RE: [Fis] Causation is transfer of information Dear Sung It is difficult for me to say as you do not make your metaphysical framework explicit. This was the great work Peirce did. I am pretty sure you do not have a dynamic triadic process concept of se

Re: [Fis] Causation is transfer of information

2017-03-29 Thread Sungchul Ji
sbr@cbs.dk> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 2:10 PM To: Sungchul Ji; Terrence W. DEACON; John Collier Cc: fis Subject: RE: [Fis] Causation is transfer of information Dear Sung I suggest you call this your own theory and make your own definitions of terms, because you confuse

Re: [Fis] Causation is transfer of information

2017-03-29 Thread Hector Zenil
With all due respect, I am still amazed how it is so much ignored and neglected all the science and math around information developed in the last 50-60 years! With most people here citing in the best case only Shannon Entropy but completely neglecting and ignoring algorithmic complexity, logical

Re: [Fis] Causation is transfer of information

2017-03-28 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
In order: John, I agree. For example, if one identifies information with constraint, the notion of information as causation becomes tautologous. It also feeds into the notion of "It from bit"! Terry, I agree, best to remain as catholic as possible in our conception of the notion. Otto: