Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis

2018-06-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
tanley N Salthe > Sent: jeudi, 31 mai 2018 16:21 > To: Burgin, Mark; fis > Subject: Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis > > Mark -- What Shannon referred to as 'entropy' was 'variety'. 'Information' > per se was achieved by way of a reduction or winnowing of thi

Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis

2018-06-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
Dear Arturo, > On 21 May 2018, at 12:49, tozziart...@libero.it wrote: > > Dear Bruno, > You state that: > "When poll are done at congress in cosmology or quantum computing, about half > of the physicists endorse the non collapse theory, as it is covariant, and > has no “measurement problem”.

Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis

2018-06-02 Thread Francesco Rizzo
- > > *From:* Fis [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] *On Behalf Of *Stanley > N Salthe > *Sent:* jeudi, 31 mai 2018 16:21 > *To:* Burgin, Mark; fis > > *Subject:* Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis > > > > Mark

Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis

2018-05-31 Thread Joseph Brenner
: Fis [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Stanley N Salthe Sent: jeudi, 31 mai 2018 16:21 To: Burgin, Mark; fis Subject: Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis Mark -- What Shannon referred to as 'entropy' was 'variety'. 'Information' per se was achieved by way

Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis

2018-05-31 Thread Stanley N Salthe
cholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYJ=en > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Burgin, Mark" > To: "Søren Brier" ; "Krassimir Markov" ; > "fis@listas.unizar.es" > Sent: 5/24/2018 4:23:53 AM > Subject: Re: [Fis] Is i

Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis

2018-05-30 Thread Burgin, Mark
:mbur...@math.ucla.edu>> To: "Søren Brier" mailto:sbr@cbs.dk>>; "Krassimir Markov" mailto:mar...@foibg.com>>; "fis@listas.unizar.es" <mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es>> Sent: 5/24/2018 4:23:53 AM Subject: Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logica

Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis

2018-05-25 Thread Christophe Menant
t; fis@listas.unizar.es Objet : RE: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis Dear Christoph I am not sure what you mean. In my understanding the important dynamics in Peirce’s pragmaticist semiotics is that symbols grow and create habits in a web of signs in nature as well as in c

Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis

2018-05-25 Thread Søren Brier
ssimir Markov; fis@listas.unizar.es<mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es> Objet : Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis Dear Mark, Loet and others My point was that all the aspects I mention are part of a reality that is bigger than what we can grasp under the realm of

Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis

2018-05-25 Thread Mark Johnson
tations?user=ych9gNYJ=en* <http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYJ=en> -- Original Message -- From: "Burgin, Mark" <mbur...@math.ucla.edu> To: "Søren Brier" <sbr....@cbs.dk>; "Krassimir Markov" <mar...@foibg.com&

Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis

2018-05-25 Thread Christophe Menant
De : Fis <fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es> de la part de Søren Brier <sbr@cbs.dk> Envoyé : jeudi 24 mai 2018 17:44 À : Loet Leydesdorff; Burgin, Mark; Krassimir Markov; fis@listas.unizar.es Objet : Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis Dea

Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis

2018-05-24 Thread Søren Brier
@cbs.dk>>; "Krassimir Markov" <mar...@foibg.com<mailto:mar...@foibg.com>>; "fis@listas.unizar.es<mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es>" <fis@listas.unizar.es<mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es>> Sent: 5/24/2018 4:23:53 AM Subject: Re: [Fis] Is informatio

Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis

2018-05-24 Thread Dai Griffiths
Thanks Lou, you are surely right to point out the object-nature of concepts. >There is no escape from sooner or later realizing that 2 exists only in the mind or in the Mind. Indeed. Our minds are full of such concepts. It seems that one of the important activities of the mind is to generate

Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis

2018-05-23 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
ch9gNYJ=en -- Original Message -- From: "Burgin, Mark" <mbur...@math.ucla.edu> To: "Søren Brier" <sbr@cbs.dk>; "Krassimir Markov" <mar...@foibg.com>; "fis@listas.unizar.es" <fis@listas.unizar.es> Sent: 5/24/2018 4:23:5

Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis

2018-05-23 Thread Louis H Kauffman
Dai, I start down a road toward attempting to understand information by first understanding number and form. | || ||| | … Is a number a thing? Is 2 a thing? Cannot say that this 2, this || “is” two. Rather it partakes in being a couple. 2 is relational. We say that there are 2 signs in

Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis - Can it be Improved?

2018-05-23 Thread Burgin, Mark
Dear Jerry, Joseph and all FISers, The title of my contribution is Logical Analysis but not Formal Logical Analysis. It means that I did not use any formal logic but thoroughly applied simple mundane logic, which is frequently used in everyday life. Sincerely, Mark On 5/18/2018 8:45

Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis

2018-05-23 Thread Burgin, Mark
<mbur...@math.ucla.edu> *Emne:* Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis Dear Mark and FIS Colleagues, First of all. I support the idea of Mark to write a paper and to publish it in IJ ITA. It will be nice to continue our common work this way. At the second place, I want to point t

Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis

2018-05-21 Thread tozziarturo
Dear Bruno, You state that: "When poll are done at congress in cosmology or quantum computing, about half of the physicists endorse the non collapse theory, as it is covariant, and has no “measurement problem”. This means that the main tenet of your account, your "First Principle", is not

Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis

2018-05-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
Dear Arturo, This is already my second post of this week, so you might answer to my two posts, and I will comment your possible answer (if necessary) next week. Thank you. > On 20 May 2018, at 19:30, tozziart...@libero.it wrote: > > Dear Bruno, > You talk about "some non mechanical

Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis

2018-05-20 Thread tozziarturo
Dear Bruno, You talk about "some non mechanical super-entities (which exist also in the arithmetical reality)". This way of reasoning throws us into the realm of the philosophy of mathematics, in which you clearly pursue a neo-platonism in the traces of Tegmark, Godel, Husserl, Tiles, against

Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis

2018-05-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Dai Griffith, Hi Colleagues, > On 17 May 2018, at 13:44, Dai Griffiths wrote: > > What is a 'thing'? > I assume Digital Mechanism all along. I don’t know if it is true, but if true it provides a clear (and tastable) answer. For the staring basic primitive

Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis

2018-05-17 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
AJ=en -- Original Message -- From: "Jose Javier Blanco Rivero" <javierwe...@gmail.com> To: "Burgin, Mark" <mbur...@math.ucla.edu> Cc: "Fis," <fis@listas.unizar.es> Sent: 5/17/2018 12:47:04 PM Subject: Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logica

Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis

2018-05-17 Thread Dai Griffiths
What is a 'thing'? Perhaps it is more reasonable to think that  only processes exist, and that for human convenience in living in the world we put conceptual membranes around some parts of those processes and call them 'things'. From this point of view we do not have two aspects (things and

Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis

2018-05-17 Thread Jose Javier Blanco Rivero
Dear FISers, I recently came across an old interview to W. van Orman Quine and I got an idea -maybe not very original per se. Quine distinguishes two kind of philosophical problems: ontological (those referred to the existence of things) and predicative (what can we say and know about things).

Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis

2018-05-17 Thread Søren Brier
oun...@listas.unizar.es> På vegne af Krassimir Markov Sendt: 17. maj 2018 11:33 Til: fis@listas.unizar.es; Burgin, Mark <mbur...@math.ucla.edu> Emne: Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis Dear Mark and FIS Colleagues, First of all. I support the idea of Mark to write a paper an

Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis

2018-05-17 Thread Krassimir Markov
] Is information physical? A logical analysis Dear FISers, It was an interesting discussion, in which many highly intelligent and creative individuals participated expressing different points of view. Many interesting ideas were suggested. As a conclusion to this discussion, I would like to suggest

Re: [Fis] Is information physical? A logical analysis

2018-05-16 Thread Burgin, Mark
Dear FISers, It was an interesting discussion, in which many highly intelligent and creative individuals participated expressing different points of view. Many interesting ideas were suggested. As a conclusion to this discussion, I would like to suggest a logical analysis of the problem