Re: [Fis] What is ³Agent²?

2017-10-24 Thread Gordana Dodig-Crnkovic
ian) machine can already defeat all normative or >> reductionist theory about their first person. They know that their soul >>is >> not a machine! >> >> >> >> >> For human agency (given that matter/energy side is functioning) >>information

Re: [Fis] What is ³Agent²?

2017-10-23 Thread Mark Johnson
> > All the best and best to All, > > Bruno > > > > > > > > Gordana > > > > __ > Gordana Dodig Crnkovic, Professor of Computer Science > Department of Computer Science and Engineering > Chalmers Unive

Re: [Fis] What is ³Agent²?

2017-10-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
ehalf of Loet Leydesdorff <l...@leydesdorff.net> Organization: University of Amsterdam Reply-To: "l...@leydesdorff.net" <l...@leydesdorff.net> Date: Friday, 20 October 2017 at 08:40 To: 'Bob Logan' <lo...@physics.utoronto.ca>, 'fis' <fis@listas.unizar.es > Su

Re: [Fis] What is ³Agent²?. Nothing Extra Needed

2017-10-20 Thread Joseph Brenner
- Original Message - From: Gordana Dodig-Crnkovic To: Terrence W. DEACON ; 'Bob Logan' ; l...@leydesdorff.net ; 'fis' Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [Fis] What is ³Agent²? Dear Terry, Bob, Loet Thank you for sharing those important thoughts about

Re: [Fis] What is ³Agent²?

2017-10-20 Thread Gordana Dodig-Crnkovic
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Re: [Fis] What is “Agent”?

2017-10-20 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
London; <http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYJ=en> http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYJ=en From: Fis [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Bob Logan Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 6:11 AM To: Terrence W. DEACON <dea...@berkeley.edu> C

Re: [Fis] What is “Agent”?

2017-10-19 Thread Terrence W. DEACON
t;Moreover, the exercise of free will on the part of the constituent >>> atoms and molecules could come to implement the centripetality of Bob >>> Ulanowicz at long last under the guise of chemical affinity unless the case >>> would have to forcibly be dismissed. >>> >>> &

Re: [Fis] What is “Agent”?

2017-10-19 Thread Stanley N Salthe
f Bob >> Ulanowicz at long last under the guise of chemical affinity unless the case >> would have to forcibly be dismissed. >> >> >> >>This has been my second post this week. >> >> >> >>Koichiro Matsuno >> >> >> >>

Re: [Fis] What is “Agent”?

2017-10-19 Thread Terrence W. DEACON
> > > > > > > *From:* Fis [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] *On Behalf Of *Alex > Hankey > *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 6:42 AM > *To:* Arthur Wist <arthur.w...@gmail.com>; FIS Webinar < > Fis@listas.unizar.es> > *Subject:* Re: [Fis] What

Re: [Fis] What is “Agent”?

2017-10-18 Thread Koichiro Matsuno
, October 19, 2017 6:42 AM To: Arthur Wist <arthur.w...@gmail.com>; FIS Webinar <Fis@listas.unizar.es> Subject: Re: [Fis] What is “Agent”? David Chalmers's analysis made it clear that if agents exist, then they are as fundamental to the universe as electrons or gravitational mass. C

Re: [Fis] What is “Agent”?

2017-10-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
Dear Jose, dear Loet, dear Krassimir, dear Alex, dear Pedro, dear All, I sum up answers to Loet, and many others in this answer to Jose, to avoid too much posts, but also I am in a very busy period. On 16 Oct 2017, at 01:34, Jose Javier Blanco Rivero wrote: Dear Krassimir, dear all, I

Re: [Fis] What is “Agent”?

2017-10-17 Thread Arthur Wist
Dear Krassimir, Dear FIS, I suspect one might find a way to answer this question about what constitutes an agent in this paper by J.H. van Hateren: https://arxiv.org/abs/1407.8314 Entitled: "What does Maxwell's demon want from life? When information becomes functional and physical" (which also

Re: [Fis] What is "Agent"?

2017-10-16 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Dear Krassimir, In agreement or partial agreement with most responses, I see the kernel of agency as autocatalysis, by virtue of the centripetality that dynamic engenders. Autocatalysis is a subset of feedbacks wherein each link in a loop benefits the next member. It is easy to show that such

Re: [Fis] What is “Agent”?

2017-10-16 Thread Koichiro Matsuno
From: Fis [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Jose Javier Blanco Rivero Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 8:35 AM To: Krassimir Markov <mar...@foibg.com>; Fis, <fis@listas.unizar.es> Subject: Re: [Fis] What is “Agent”? Dear Krassimir, dear all, I have noticed that some

Re: [Fis] What is “Agent”?

2017-10-16 Thread Gyorgy Darvas
Information exists at all levels of Agents. Good luck, Gyuri On 2017.10.15. 23:27, Krassimir Markov wrote: Dear FIS Colleagues, After nice collaboration last weeks, a paper Called “Data versus Information” is prepared in very beginning draft variant and already is sent to authors for

Re: [Fis] What is “Agent”?

2017-10-15 Thread Alex Hankey
Dear All, I particularly approve of theJose's comment that: " following D. Hofstadter, H. von Foerster, N. Luhmann and others we could think of a agent/observer as a self-referential loop." That is because I show that such loops occur at the locus of control of biological systems where the