Re: [Flashcoders] FW: [Flash_Tiger] Outsourcing and Actionscript specs

2008-11-09 Thread Juan Delgado
Hi there! Sorry to be late to the discussion. I've been in both sides and I have to say it's pretty damn difficult to get it right. Very, very difficult. If you are the one outsourcing (sending work outside) you usually do it either because you don't have the money or you don't have the time

RE: [Flashcoders] FW: [Flash_Tiger] Outsourcing and Actionscript specs

2008-11-06 Thread Merrill, Jason
I agree with Joel; your best bet is to provide a highly detailed design spec with complete API, and also provide guidance on what components to extend, etc. The downside is that it takes a lot of time to do all of this work, and depending on your particular situation, it may be unrealistic.

[Flashcoders] FW: [Flash_Tiger] Outsourcing and Actionscript specs

2008-11-05 Thread Merrill, Jason
I'm going to throw a question out there to see if anyone has experienced something similar to this. Didn't get any responses on Flash_Tiger. If you have ever outsourced some Actionscript work to an outside vendor, have you ever struggled with how to spec out how you want them to code it?

Re: [Flashcoders] FW: [Flash_Tiger] Outsourcing and Actionscript specs

2008-11-05 Thread Joel Stransky
It really depends on what level of design patterns were used. The best way to prepare for making changes is to provide the API you expect to be able to use. Possibly created with something like gModelerhttp://www.gskinner.com/gmodeler/app/run.html(although there may be a better option for as3). In

Re: [Flashcoders] FW: [Flash_Tiger] Outsourcing and Actionscript specs

2008-11-05 Thread Eric E. Dolecki
Did you have check ins with them, or did they just deliver the final thing? Check ins might allow you to see how they are architecting things and you'd be able to ask questions, or suggest different ways to code something, etc. I've seen some projects where custom events are passed from one class

Re: [Flashcoders] FW: [Flash_Tiger] Outsourcing and Actionscript specs

2008-11-05 Thread Steve Mathews
It sounds like this was a situation where you just passed off a project and got the result in the end. My experiences have taught me to make sure to do reviews often and recommend changes early. I think there are several issues that cause these kinds of problems (language, education and styles to

RE: [Flashcoders] FW: [Flash_Tiger] Outsourcing and Actionscript specs

2008-11-05 Thread Merrill, Jason
: [Flashcoders] FW: [Flash_Tiger] Outsourcing and Actionscript specs It sounds like this was a situation where you just passed off a project and got the result in the end. My experiences have taught me to make sure to do reviews often and recommend changes early. I think there are several issues that cause

Re: [Flashcoders] FW: [Flash_Tiger] Outsourcing and Actionscript specs

2008-11-05 Thread Dave Watts
If you have ever outsourced some Actionscript work to an outside vendor, have you ever struggled with how to spec out how you want them to code it? I haven't done this, but have worked as a consultant to offshore vendors before - they offshore their own consulting! - and would make these

Re: [Flashcoders] FW: [Flash_Tiger] Outsourcing and Actionscript specs

2008-11-05 Thread sebastian
Open the discussion with them, tell them where you are confused and have them explain things to you. If they can't explain it to you in a quick conversation; have them document it. gModeler seems good [first time I saw it was 5 seconds ago!], or any other UML-esque program that can build