Re: [Flashcoders] Q: Flash Object vs UFO for flash detection and as eolas workaround

2006-04-18 Thread elibol
I think Johns problem can be avoided by just resorting to old school embedding. I also think it can be avoided by using floating divs instead of popups, or popups within the player. I have here version 1.3 of FlashObject, I will talk from this since it's what I've based my arguments on. I

Re: [Flashcoders] Q: Flash Object vs UFO for flash detection and as eolas workaround

2006-04-18 Thread elibol
Sorry John I hadn't read this post, seems like you've got a work around already and were just trying to gain some insight into the matter. On 4/17/06, John Grden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sounds like a very rare edge case to me - but first I have to point out that this isn't an issue with

Re: [Flashcoders] Q: Flash Object vs UFO for flash detection and as eolas workaround

2006-04-17 Thread John Grden
Hey Geoff, thanks for the response. I have a question though, and it's not me being a smart-ass or anything -honestly! Ok, open IE6, load a flash site with version 6 of the flash player. Open another instance of IE6, load a different site and do the upgrade to flash 8 (without closing the other

Re: [Flashcoders] Q: Flash Object vs UFO for flash detection and as eolas workaround

2006-04-17 Thread Kevin Newman
Geoff Stearns wrote: 3) Kevin suggested using his Player.js script - while his other stuff is really awesome (HistoryKeeper, dang) the Player.js code doesn't support all the stuff that FlashObject or UFO provide. So really I think that Kevin should just use FlashObject ;) I missed the

Re: [Flashcoders] Q: Flash Object vs UFO for flash detection and as eolas workaround

2006-04-17 Thread Geoff Stearns
sounds like a very rare edge case to me - but first I have to point out that this isn't an issue with FlashObject, it's an issue with the way ExpressInstall works. There's just too many variables that have to be in place for this to actually be an issue. But there is a way for this to be

Re: [Flashcoders] Q: Flash Object vs UFO for flash detection and as eolas workaround

2006-04-17 Thread John Grden
sounds like a very rare edge case to me - but first I have to point out that this isn't an issue with FlashObject, it's an issue with the way ExpressInstall works. There's just too many variables that have to be in place for this to actually be an issue. Yes and no, but I think we'd just

Re: [Flashcoders] Q: Flash Object vs UFO for flash detection and as eolas workaround

2006-04-17 Thread Jim Kremens
Hi Geoff, I'll reply to your comments inline below... First, I guess I'm not sure why you would need to 'maintain' it. The script is basically just an API for writing the HTML to embed a swf file into an html document. This probably won't change significantly any time soon, so the need to

Re: [Flashcoders] Q: Flash Object vs UFO for flash detection and as eolas workaround

2006-04-17 Thread Geoff Stearns
well that's cool, thanks for the response.. the only thing i'd like to address was this part: The FlashObject class would just embed swf files. Any additional concerns would be seperated from this class, where each class would interface to operate with one anotherAs it stands, all of

Re: [Flashcoders] Q: Flash Object vs UFO for flash detection and as eolas workaround

2006-04-15 Thread bryan.rice
On Apr 15, 2006, at 3:46 AM, elibol wrote: I think you've taken someone elses opinion far too personally, otherwise I believe your question would be generally presented rather than personally scolding someone. WTF are you talking about? You obviously don't know me and obviously

Re: [Flashcoders] Q: Flash Object vs UFO for flash detection and as eolas workaround

2006-04-15 Thread elibol
Yes you're right Bryan, I didn't consider that you might be someone who followed him, I didn't know that he was one who people followed. As for scolding, you were persistently nagging for an explanation. Yes I don't know you, and you don't know me, so how could you know who I think I am? Why would

Re: [Flashcoders] Q: Flash Object vs UFO for flash detection and as eolas workaround

2006-04-14 Thread elibol
Wow nice move Kevin. How does one implement the Express Installer with your version? I don't much like FlashObject and I haven't heard of these other ones, but after reading about this UFO one, the writer seems to have a very clear technical understanding on object and language decoupling. He

Re: [Flashcoders] Q: Flash Object vs UFO for flash detection and as eolas workaround

2006-04-14 Thread Kevin Newman
My detector is just an information repository for the for the user's installed plash player (if any) at the moment. I haven't gotten around to researching or implementing an Express Install solution just yet, and I may not get to it for a long while. Those other solutions are more robust

Re: [Flashcoders] Q: Flash Object vs UFO for flash detection and as eolas workaround

2006-04-14 Thread bryan.rice
On Apr 14, 2006, at 12:44 PM, elibol wrote: I don't much like FlashObject What don't you like about it? I have deployed many sites with it (using express install) and have never had an issue. I quite like it, (I used to use Colin's Moock FPI), so I am curious as to why you don't.

Re: [Flashcoders] Q: Flash Object vs UFO for flash detection and as eolas workaround

2006-04-14 Thread Jim Kremens
Did you ever look at the code? Jim Kremens On 4/14/06, bryan.rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 14, 2006, at 12:44 PM, elibol wrote: I don't much like FlashObject What don't you like about it? I have deployed many sites with it (using express install) and have never had an issue. I

Re: [Flashcoders] Q: Flash Object vs UFO for flash detection and as eolas workaround

2006-04-14 Thread bryan.rice
On Apr 14, 2006, at 5:05 PM, Jim Kremens wrote: Did you ever look at the code? I have taken a look at the javascript and I find it pretty straight forward (though not commented)...what is that you don't like about it? Just curious. How would you write it differently? blue skies,

[Flashcoders] Q: Flash Object vs UFO for flash detection and as eolas workaround

2006-04-13 Thread bitstreams
Hi Was wondering what everyone is using for flash detection currently. Is there and consensus as to which is better, UFO http://www.bobbyvandersluis.com/ufo/ or Flash Object methods http://blog.deconcept.com/flashobject/ Thanks in advance! Jim Bachalo [e] jbach at bitstream.ca [c]

Re: [Flashcoders] Q: Flash Object vs UFO for flash detection and as eolas workaround

2006-04-13 Thread Jim Kremens
My only reservation with FlashObject is that it's written in a style that makes it pretty un maintainable. Take a look inside FlashObject.js... should you ever want to change or modify anything in there, it might get weird... Jim Kremens On 4/13/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: