RE: [Flashcoders] Oh the irony
I'll say this again: I see no financial benefit to Adobe for keeping the Flash Player the standard for a rich Internet. If HTL5 + JS can do everything - or part of everything - the Flash Player can do. There's no harm done to Adobe by adding a Export as HTML5 option. We've even seen it demonstrated with the Smart Paste videos. Illustrator chart connected to live data: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhjLlPegA8I The above + Flash created animation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v69S22ZBBqA Adobe makes money by selling the authoring tools, not the Player. From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Ktu [ktu_fl...@cataclysmicrewind.com] Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 2:02 PM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Oh the irony From all of this crazy stuff going on the last couple of months, I can't wait to see what happens. apple blatantly bashed Flash. They still offer Flash in their own store (because Adobe products have helped keep apple alive). Their policy changes. the new iad network. the iBad TLF Flash on Android and other smartphones Google's support CS5 Shit is changing, and all I can say is; lets do our part to make it change the way we want it to change. I've never been a huge fan of apple (and their keyboard shortcuts just don't make sense). The more of this type of information to fuel the conflict will only cause more change. Keep finding the good stuff. Ktu (sorry for my troll comment earlier) On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Matt S. mattsp...@gmail.com wrote: that being said, I just looked at it from a different computer and it was using video so I'll just go ahead and put the mud on my own face ;) . Apparently on the previous computer it rolled back to Quicktime for some reason. .m On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Matt S. mattsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Kerry Thompson al...@cyberiantiger.biz wrote: I don't see anything ironic about using QuickTime. It's one of Apple's big success stories. I can kind of see them pushing HTML5 over Flash, for business reasons. But why would they want to use HTML5 over their own product? Of course you're right, *IF* you acknowledge that Steve Jobs' recent decisions have primarily been based on cold hard business calculations, which most of us do. But that's not the argument *he*, or other anti-Flashers are making. You hear all the time that the problem with Flash is that, as a plug-in, it exists outside the stack, in its own isolated box, whereas HTML5 is standards compliant and completely open and exists as part of the natural code flow. That is certainly true to a large extent, but the exact same thing can be said of Quicktime. Secondly, Jobs has made a very specific distinction between the iPhone vs the browser. While acknowledging that the iPhone is obviously a closed garden, he has said that when it comes to the *browser*, Apple is all about open, non-proprietary, standards compliant, HTML5, etc etc. And clearly, Quicktime is just as closed and proprietary as Flash, if not more so. Thirdly, I dont need to tell anyone here just how central the video tag has been in the whole debate. How often do you hear people saying that with the video tag, Flash is dead, completely ignoring everything else Flash does? If ever there was a proof of concept where Jobs Co. should be putting their money where their mouth is, video is it. Especially since this video isnt DRM or in need of any other of the more advanced features that HTML5 can't handle yet. .m ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Oh the irony
Absolutely. Where HTML5 can replace Flash, it should. I have no problem with that. I actually think HTML5 is pretty cool. I just dont think it needs to be an either/or question, and find the struggle-to-the-death approach that Jobs is championing ludicrous, and find alot of the Flash is dead because... statements to be based on false assumptions. Yeah, of course, if you ban it from devices, it will die, but that isnt exactly allowing the technology to evolve organically. Bad technology dies under its own weight. No one needed to drown Netscape or Director or Cobol in the bathtub in order to get rid of them. If Flash's day is done, it will die soon enough on its own. All Jobs has done is convince a whole swath of decision-makers that Flash is toxic and shouldnt be touched, even in cases where Flash is actually the superior option, and thats just a shame. How many game developers are now being asked We want to do something like http://www.gettheglass.com/but NOT in Flash, because Flash is dead. You can do that in HTML5 right? And it needs to run perfectly on the iPad. .m On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Mattheis, Erik (MIN - WSW) ematth...@webershandwick.com wrote: I'll say this again: I see no financial benefit to Adobe for keeping the Flash Player the standard for a rich Internet. If HTL5 + JS can do everything - or part of everything - the Flash Player can do. There's no harm done to Adobe by adding a Export as HTML5 option. We've even seen it demonstrated with the Smart Paste videos. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] Oh the irony
Sort of makes one wonder if Apple knows Adobe isn't tied to a specific platform whereas Apple by definition is. Very insightful - a specific technology makes that technology dwindle, it's an unstoppable force. Adobe is more loose footed than Apple in the current bruhaha - creating the 10.1 player to work well across a variety of devices vs a locked down business model. Consumers and Adube won't give a f**k whether the creative output from their products is through HTML5, the Flash Player or some other technology. That said, if WebKit works identically across platforms, Adobe has nothing to lose by adapting the products to target it. The only way I can see this making sense for Apple is if they're aiming to eclipse Adobe with an authoring tool. And if it exports to Android, RIM, etc, well I'll adopt to it. But it seems to me Adobe is ahead in that game. (Sent from my Mac Mini, haha) From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Matt S. [mattsp...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 6:29 PM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Oh the irony Absolutely. Where HTML5 can replace Flash, it should. I have no problem with that. I actually think HTML5 is pretty cool. I just dont think it needs to be an either/or question, and find the struggle-to-the-death approach that Jobs is championing ludicrous, and find alot of the Flash is dead because... statements to be based on false assumptions. Yeah, of course, if you ban it from devices, it will die, but that isnt exactly allowing the technology to evolve organically. Bad technology dies under its own weight. No one needed to drown Netscape or Director or Cobol in the bathtub in order to get rid of them. If Flash's day is done, it will die soon enough on its own. All Jobs has done is convince a whole swath of decision-makers that Flash is toxic and shouldnt be touched, even in cases where Flash is actually the superior option, and thats just a shame. How many game developers are now being asked We want to do something like http://www.gettheglass.com/but NOT in Flash, because Flash is dead. You can do that in HTML5 right? And it needs to run perfectly on the iPad. .m On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Mattheis, Erik (MIN - WSW) ematth...@webershandwick.com wrote: I'll say this again: I see no financial benefit to Adobe for keeping the Flash Player the standard for a rich Internet. If HTL5 + JS can do everything - or part of everything - the Flash Player can do. There's no harm done to Adobe by adding a Export as HTML5 option. We've even seen it demonstrated with the Smart Paste videos. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
